Comments:Council of Europe report challenges teaching of Creationism

Can anyone please explain how the complex information contained in the DNA of the cells of all living organisms could have come to pass without an intelligent designer?

No one can deny that the information in a book (words, numbers, meaning, etc.) was put there by an intelligent designer, i.e. an author. Similarly, no one can deny that the information in a painting (representations of people, places, things, emotions, etc.) came about by an intelligent designer, i.e. an artist.

The information contained in DNA is infinitely more complex than the information in a book or painting. Furthermore, DNA not only contains information, but it also contains translators that make sense of the information in order to make the living organism function correctly. How can anyone deny, then, that this complex genetic information had its origin in any other than an intelligent designer?

Thanks, Dave


 * Dave, if you want more detail about how such systems can arise via natural selection you may want to talk a look at the talkorigins archive [www.talkorigins.org here]. Very briefly, the idea is that life started out very simple, most likely simple self-replicating molecules like RNA or possibly something more similar to PNA. Overtime some of these mutated and the mutants which were more able to survive and reproduce became more common. Many of the basic elements of this story are highly plausible. As to the notion of "information" itself, the term information is not by itself precisely defined. Mathematicians generally have two main defintions of information, Kolmogrov complexity and Shannon information. We know that mutation and selection can increase the information content by either of these measures. (If you want, I can give references). I hope this helps. JoshuaZ 18:11, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Dave: Just because it is beyond your comprehension doesn't mean that it is God. And besides, how can you teach that which you don't understand? --216.75.93.110 18:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

fundamentals of the evolution of the creation
yes, i confess that this user is a fundamentalist. here are my favorite lessons from

grade 11 and 12 physics.

the four physical forces are readily apparent.
electro-magnetic

strong nuclear

weak nuclear

gravity

the four chemical elements are also obvious
singularity/disassociated quarks and electrons/plasma/gas

liquid

solid/bose-einstein condensate

energy

gravity potential energy

electromagnetic energy

infra red

visible light

ultra violet

mechanical energy

sound

propagation

resonance

motion

force multipliers

ok, that was more than 6. the point is that probably only the great commentator Rashi knew all that there is to know about

the four dimensions and their co-ordinate points

and

the velocities of objects relative to other objects.

in the words of the Creator, interpreted by Rashi, - paraphrased -

two first_things, creation, elohim. aleph tav the heavens and aleph tav the earth

have a good semester. Boron.merkava (talk) 16:54, 22 September 2008 (UTC)