Comments:UK Home Secretary announces ID card pilot launch

nonsense, we've always had id cards! Eurasia is our ally, we're at war with east asia... we've always been at war with east asia... —99.250.55.38 19:46, 6 May 2009 (UTC) The Party

How long until DOWN WITH THE LABOUR PARTY is a thoughtcrime? 147.26.202.142 21:12, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm sure that statement has put you on a list somewhere. Fephisto (talk) 12:53, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

you have to wonder, in the face of so much opposition and a huge price tag, why are they still going ahead with it? whats the aim?

Notice how the worldwide divide between the state and the citizen is increasing. The citizen is the fodder for the state, regardless of the country.

All citizens are to be fingerprinted like criminals. Please line up. Hmm. And you'll do this willingly? 174.88.153.27 02:17, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

ID Cards?
Yeah, right. I don't think for second that a room full of politicians whose lives and and values are not at all like mine are going to be able to make use of my information in ways that I will approve of. This is definitely stepping over the line of respect for privacy. It is even stepping over the line of freedom to direct my own life. It is not that I have anything to hide. I am a "good" citizen ( I once got a speeding ticket !). So it is not that I am trying to hide a crime here. But I do not want some statistical analysis expert take every one's data, running in through a machine and then deciding that we would be better off if every one with my "profile" were required to do this or that other thing. Then the idea gets to the politicians and they all start trying to figure out how to make points with this or that interest group out of this new thing that people with my profile are require to do. And, then finally, it gets down to the "spinners", speech writers, and social engineers to figure out how to persuade the country that I real would be better off if I were to do such and such with my life.

Surveillance state
As a foreigner living in the UK (for 2 years now) I have to say that this is one of the scarier places I've been to in terms of privacy violation by the government. When you take together the facts that


 * CCTV is everywhere in city/town centers watching you on most streets, street corners, and outside shops;
 * Her Majesty's Government wants to build a massive database with everyones details (oh, and then give them an ID card to make them feel like their actually just trying to make their lives easier);

you get a scenario with massive potential for abuse. Will the current government abuse it? Maybe not. Will the next one? Who knows. Will it be abused eventually. Almost certainly.

We are the result of 200 years of brainwashing (from the detective novel to the state-censored internet) and have been conditioned (you can't see the fly in the eye) to focus on the difference between country x and country y. The more important distinction is - regardless of the nation, worldwide - the one between 1/3 of the society who are the lackeys of the state (and will defend it) and the other 2/3 who slave away for the state and who are coerced to support the state agents (e.g. police, military, civil servants, etc.) who do either deliver (i) an overpriced service, (ii) a service the majority does not ask for (e.g. ID cards) or (iii) no service at all.

I don't understand why most governments in the world are still operating.
 * Me neither. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 09:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

this ruined my day