Comments:UN General Assembly approves measures to protect economic, social and cultural rights

These positive rights - the right to food, education, health, pensions, etc. - amount to the right to have a state that matches a basic architecture set out by the UN: for example, the right to free schools for children under a certain arbitrary age. This only differs in the details from the right to any other arbitrary piece of state paraphernalia, such as the right to a state owned electricity grid, a state owned broadcasting company, or the right to be protected by secret police. Positive rights are a way to entrench the state and have nothing to do with liberty or fairness. —194.72.9.25 14:09, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nicely written. Fephisto (talk) 15:50, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * "Liberty" and "fairness" seem to be the opposite of "state" and "government" only in the USA. Perhaps you guys should fix your government rather than complaining how screwed it is all the time. 81.5.64.43 10:37, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Im ok