File talk:Fariba-iran-evin1.jpg

This image cannot be used if it is a copy right violation. It was deleted at the Commons as a copy right violation so that it's use was never "free". The Fair use template says: "This template must be accompanied by a source, information on the copyright owner, and a fair-use rationale for every use, as described in our policies regarding non-free media. Media which does not contain this information may be deleted." Please provide that information. Keeping something "historic" is not an exemption from the Fair use policy. Thanks, Mattisse (talk) 23:54, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Ask yourself: "if the story was current, would this image be permissible?" If it is, then the policy can be applied retroactively. If not, fairuse. — μ 23:58, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, it clearly is not permissible now. But here we have a newbie (me) and and entrenched admin (or whatever he is) so policy won't be followed. In fact, I am getting into trouble by simply noticing this. I will watch and see what happens. I have no powers to delete and the editor who originally instructed me to provide the Fair use rationale seems be hostile to me, IMHO. See Talk:French teacher returns home after being held in Iran for ten months. I don't understand why he thinks it is up to me to provide the Fair use rationale, but he seems to think it is my problem.   Mattisse (talk) 00:54, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

P.S. See the editor's response to me: [http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:French_teacher_returns_home_after_being_held_in_Iran_for_ten_months&diff=1207656&oldid=1207652 Quoting my previous edit summary, "how stupid", you are just making things harder. Read this carefully, okay? 'The image was deleted on Commons because it was a copyright violation. You asked for the image to be removed, that can't be done AFAIK, so I proposed to request the image to be restored at Commons momentarily in order to transfer it to here, where YOU would add a fair use rationale, since the picture is not free, and subsequently needs a fair use rationale. Everything that follows what I said, is completely moot and stupid.'] This type of response might be why newbies don't feel like sticking around wikinews. I didn't ask for the image to be removed. Rather, I noted on the article talk page that the image  was now a red link. The response of the editor was to upload an image today to wikinews to replace the  one deleted on the Commons. I inquired if uploading an image to replace the one that was deleted from the Commons to wikinews without a Fair use rationale was correct procedure at wikinews. I really wanted to know. And now I would like to know if there are rules to be followed here at wikinews, and if so, which ones are they? Mattisse (talk) 01:19, 4 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Clearly not, since you never added the rationale, I did. The picture is exactly the same that used to be in the article, and I don't see what is the problem here, it was uploaded under the fair use doctrine (or whatever the word is), and it complies with the terms imposed by policy. Diego Grez return fire 00:56, 4 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, we will see if wikinews has any standards, per what μ said above. Mattisse (talk) 01:22, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Questions

 * If the image was falsely uploaded to Commons as "own work", then it may per their policies be a copyright violation as non-free.
 * If the image is to be used here, under fair use, then the questions to be resolved are utterly different from those applied on Commons.
 * Is the image from a competeing news agency? (If no, then there's likely every probability it can be use and Fair Use asserted.)
 * Can a link to the original location of the image be found? If so, this would allow a more reasonable assessment of this case.

I would also note that the language in the above section is most unhelpfully antagonistic. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:58, 4 April 2011 (UTC)