Talk:Car driven into Glasgow International Airport

Breaking News
I have changed back the article to breaking news as the BBC with other news sources are still reporting on matters which are constantly changing. Such as the searching of houses in Glasgow and the shutting down of John Lennon airport in liverpool.

Williamt 07:50, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * New information needs to go into a new article. PLEASE stop adding the breaking tag. It is misused in this place. I would also like to point out that you have now broken the 3RR in putting this tag back multiple times. Nope - you have now reverted 3 times. Not a breaking of the rule - my apologies. --Skenmy(t•c•w•i) 08:11, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

---npWilliamt 08:17, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Name
I was just about to change the title myself. 74.111.7.3 15:28, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes. This one should be better. Pilotguy roger that  15:30, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

seems Strathclyde polices website is down Williamt 15:57, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Scottish Government
Perhaps we could do better than the UK news media by taking cognizance in this article of the fact that Scotland actually has its own government, and therefore that issues like this are not the sole responsibility of the UK Government and Cabinet. In particular, the policing aspects of terrorism prevention and detection are very clearly the responsibility of the Scottish Government.

In addition, successive opinion polls show that people in Scotland look first to their Government in Holyrood, rather than the one in Westminster, for political leadership on issues such as this - regardless of the strict constitutional division of responsibilities.

How about we add some comments on what the First Minister and Justice Secretary have been doing over the course of the last few hours, and perhaps some quotes from the First Minister's press conference at St Andrew's House?

BBC News Image
I've deleted the image uploaded to Commons that was copied from BBC News. Only freely licensed images are allowed on Commons. Adambro 15:44, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

ok Williamt 15:49, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

the new image is better Williamt 15:49, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Earlier bombing attempts
Should we add a note that at this point there appears to have been no comment by the government over whether this was connected to the earlier defused bombs? JoshuaZ 16:21, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


 * As of now the BBC is reporting that a Downing Street statement says that they are treating this as a normal criminal event and that it is too early to draw conclusions that this is linked to yesterdays failed attacks.KTo288 16:26, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


 * even without an official statement of a link, i think a short note about the earlier incident would be appropriate given the vehicle-borne nature of both incidents and their proximity in time. in lkight of above, a short note of the previous incident followed by the Downing Street statement shld do the job. –Doldrums(talk) 16:28, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

agreed - although this is offically a police matter - eyewitnesses are saying they have seen 'gas canisters' etc. and the police are saying that this wasn't an accident Williamt 16:35, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Self-contradictory?
"All flights are grounded, and three men have been arrested."

"Officials at Edinburgh Airport have said that all cars are being turned away, however flights are still flying in and out."

These can't both be right... Seraphimblade 18:02, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:10, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Queen visiting Scotland qorth mentioning?
See here (bottom). Seems that queen Elizabeth is visiting Scotland today for the inauguration of parliament. Resembels the backround of the London bombs (PMs there). Havelock 18:44, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Massive use of BBC images
I don't know much about the limitations of fair use, but this has got to be infringing on the BBC's rights. --SVTCobra 18:47, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's also not much of fair use anyway, at least not the way I understand it. It would have been fair use if this was an article about BBC. Havelock 18:55, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Isn't most of that security footage? I'm not sure BBC could claim copyright to it in that case, they didn't do anything transformative or creative in airing it. (Of course, anything the BBC filmed would be theirs.) Seraphimblade 18:58, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * CCTV footage cannot be copyrighted by BBC. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:05, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Neither of the two images used in the article are from CCTV as seen here (Pics #1, #3). --+Deprifry+ 23:12, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Number of arrastments
There are given different numbers of arrastments. CNN says 2, Wikinews says 3, ARD Tagesschau (german public broadcasting) says 4. Which number is right? --88.72.9.89 19:46, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Only 2 arrested...3 inside the car. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:47, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Not heard anything to suggest three people from BBC News 24 live feed. Adambro 20:01, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Only two arrest Williamt 23:17, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Strathclyde Police news conference
Chief Constable Willie Rae has just given a news conference about the situation. There may be some quotes of interest which could be added to the article. I'm not able to do so at the moment but have recorded it and its available on my website at [old link removed]. Adambro 21:07, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll take a look Williamt 23:14, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Breaking and continued editing
This article has yesterday's date on it, it should not have sources from today on it! --Brian McNeil / talk 08:10, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

why it is still an on going story Williamt 08:51, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, so new articles should be created --Skenmy(t•c•w•i) 08:57, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I know it can take some getting used to, but unlike Wikipedia we can have several articles on an event. One of the project's key goals is to provide an archive of what was known at the time, so to be strict about it this article should be about what was known on the date of publication. Future dated items should be the basis for a followup story. We have templates to put 2 stories on a lead in cases like this. So, you'd have this story as the follow-on and a new story with today's developments as the main lead.
 * As I say, it can take getting used to, and I don't want to detract from your efforts. A lot of work has gone into this story, and it'll probably get a "let it slide" judgement when it comes to archiving, but this is an important aspect of wikinews. And one we've probably had to tell everyone that's come over from Wikipedia or Commons. :) --Brian McNeil / talk 11:51, 1 July 2007 (UTC)