Talk:China detains and beats mourners for Zhao Ziyang

There is no sounding evidence in support of the whole article at all. I suspect it was "created" with imagination by the cited source.King Ho Cheung 05:52, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * Actually, I saw similar on Digitial China... don't have the source handy though. - Amgine 05:07, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * I dont see reason for doubt. Can you elaborate? The wife Zhao's former aide Bao Tong was certainly beaten when trying to visit his house...so people have indeed been beaten. maybe we can do a better job attributing comments to their source. --Jiang 05:52, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I am against anonymous accusations generally. However we must account that China is not a free speech country and that it is not the first time something like that is denounced. So I am favour to the publication of this article. Anyway I praises some investigation about the case. -- carlosar 13:46, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I removed the objections-tag since I think that there is no reason anymore. Case someone didn't agree put it back again. -- Carlosar 02:04, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * "AFP" itself is not sufficient to support the whole argument. We can't verify the reliability of the source; it appears that there're no similar reports by other news agencies, such as AP, Reuters etc. And I still highly believe that the cited photo or references're stories created with possible political motives. Also, I think linking to "Human Rights Watch" is not quite appropriate, as it is trying to use past events to suggest that the current event is justified. King Ho Cheung 12:39, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The photograph is what bothers me. There are several problems with it, but I'm not a doctor, so perhaps someone else could speak to this? First off, the blood is mostly quite red, which means it would have to be a picture that was taken on or near the scene of the beatings. Also, I see no skin discoloration or open wounds under the blood. It seems quite odd that a beating that could cause that much blood loss would result in so little bruising or open wounds. Also, the man is wearing a flower, which, unless I'm mistaken, is a symbol of a political movement, and which would almost certainly have been removed during the beating. Thus, we know that at least one item has been added after the fact, making the whole more suspect. Ajs 19:05, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, even the cited photo itself is problematic. It makes me disappointed to find Wikinews has become a portal for spreading political views of some parties, instead of reporting news of reliable nature, if reallyKing Ho Cheung 14:31, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Accuracy dispute
A man who preferred to be anonymous said: "A man from Henan province was beaten badly. ...
 * ''anonymous witnesses said the government detained several people in Beijing. They claim some of these people were severely beaten.
 * His left eyeball looked like it was beaten out of its socket and he had a one inch cut to his right eye.
 * An elderly woman from Shandong province was beaten to a point where she couldn't move and
 * a man from Hunan province was also beaten."

An accuracy dispute may not be raised without evidence. Please present this evidence here.

Evidence the facts of the article are incorrect
The "blood" looks like tomato sauce or other artificial coloring, & it's illogical that no "blood" has spilled on his clothes if he has really been beaten short time ago, with His left eyeball looked like it was beaten out of its socket and he had a one inch cut to his right eye. The flower should have been removed if so... No similar reports by major news agencies... His "tidy" clothes should have shown minimum signs of fighting (e.g. torn) if so...

King Ho Cheung 14:41, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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