Talk:Chinese submarine enters Japanese waters

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Is there a specific motive attributed to this action? I read something on it before, but have forgotten. Also, the order of family and personal name for the PM and FM do not match that in Koizumi's (Junichiro Koizumi) Wikipedia entry.--119 07:20, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * From what I understand, there's certainly speculation on motives, but I highly doubt the Chinese, if they truly had a motive beyond human error, are about to come out and say it. As for name order... Yeah, that's something we need to hammer out, I think. I just went with the method that I personally prefer because, from what I understand, that's what this demo state is all about; stating ideals and working out functional compromises. :) Garrett Albright 08:04, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Superb - let's get this published. Needs the location in the intro, however, per the style guide. Ambi 12:48, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I have just scanned about a dozen articles on this issue in Japanese. Where I could verify, there was no factual errors. But since the article writes about many facts, I could check only a part - background/contextual facts were not checked at all.

One thing that I am concerned is that the "alert" that is said to be the second time since the end of WWII. It is reported in a few sources that there was indeed the second "海上警備行動" since the World War II. The term suggests that it is an alert specifically related to sea surface. Are there other types of alerts, such as the ones related to sky or land? I assume so. Was there any other alert before? I don't know. So this is a potential error, I felt.


 * What was grounds for the only other alert seems relevant, but what's with the land/air/etc.? I don't see how it relates. --119 07:54, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Other facts I find relevant:
 * Japanese FM asked Chinese FM in the Santiago meeting to confirm the statement made by Chinese VFM about the incident. It was confirmed.
 * The Japanese PM recognized and accepted the apology. (on the 16th, in front of press).

Tomos 06:39, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Great. I hope you will edit the article with those facts, especially as those sources aren't even listed. A lot of people are commenting on things they're just as capable of fixing as the next user... --119 07:54, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Neutrality
I think we have a potencial Not Neutral Point of View problem here. I don't like the title neither. I suggest some changes in the title and in the article --carlosar Nov 18 13:55 UTC 2004


 * Could you be more specific? Remember, objections should be actionable, so someone else can go in and address them.--Eloquence 14:02, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * There is also an issue about whether it is appropriate to merely use the term "China" and "Chinese" when there is still a rival government in Taipei which claims to be the ony legitimate government in China. I know some people might think that this is nit-picking but this kind of thing might become more of an issue in future, so this is something we should work out now. --Ce garcon 15:18, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Please read the first two paragraphs of Republic of China. Taipei no longer pretends to govern mainland China. Garrett Albright 03:43, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * I have read the article again. I think it is acceptable. Unless someone else protest, I think you should publish it. -- carlosar Nov 18 17:59:32 UTC 2004

Category request
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Please add Category:Submarines. Thanks, Bencherlite (talk) 12:50, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Pi zero (talk) 12:18, 9 November 2010 (UTC)