Talk:Collection of signatures for the free part of the beach in Maiori, Italy

NPOV
This article, which is mainly a translation from Italian Wikinews, has been cleaned up. Unfortunately, it is a very one-sided POV. Since, I can't read the sources (and some of it sounds like original reporting), I couldn't do much about it. Hence the tag. --SVTCobra 23:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Well in some way it is original reporting even if I left out quite a bunch of the really POV parts. I also wrote the Italian version. The problem is: by Italian law everyone has the right to access the sea, sit down near the beach and take a bath. The guys who got the permission to install the sunshades etc. inhibit people from going to the beach. So really I could be much more drastical. This is a first part of what is happening - yesterday the door they put there to inhibit people from going to the beach in the evening when they are not there anymore was removed by the city police. As well as they got a note that they have to comply to the law by Saturday, otherwise they would be closed down. On Saturday there will be a occupation of the beach and if we are lucky we will get a video as well. On Sunday there will be a meeting between the citicen's group and the city administration (also other people from the region and from some ambientalist associations will be present). Now I don't know how to be neutral with the municipalities which up to yesterday did not react at all ... now we have a reaction, but when this article was written there was no help from that side. I am going to write a follow up, probably on Monday, putting together all we have. Sorry that there are no English articles about this ... well I could ask for the permission to translate the ones on Positanonews and publish the translation under cc-by license - normally they don't have a problem with that. Let me know if you are interested in it. Now if you tell me what exacly you mean to be pov here, please let me know. I am trying to get further information also by the mayor who answered an e-mail of mine, but that will all go into the follow-up article, since these things were not fact when I wrote the article as is. I'll come back here tomorrow. Thanks for the improvements ... maybe next time I should first write in English and then translate into Italian since writing is easier than translating for me. --SabineCretella 13:41, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

NPOV tag removed
I have removed the NPOV tag. It much more neutral in tone, although still one-sided. Previously, the outrage of the author was palpable. However, there is no effort made in describing the position of the lido operators and others that are blocking access. They are not given a fair shake. I do not know anything about this case, but it sounds similar to something I saw on television a while back. I think it was in Malibu, California. California has a similar law about the beaches being public. As you may or may not know, the beaches in Malibu are lined with houses, owned by the mega-rich. Between them, these homeowners basically own all the property between the road and the beach. The question was whether the public should be allowed to traverse the legimately private property to reach the beach, or should the public be forced to go around, like get there from somewhere else along the shore. It was a long-drawn battle that went back and forth with many details that I won't bore you with, but in the end I think they built a dedicated walk-way between some of the houses. The point I wanted to make was that this television report allowed me to at least understand the concerns of both sides. This article does not do this. The "administrators" that prohibit access to the beach are left as these nameless and faceless villians. Even if their motivation is as banal as protecting their revenue stream, it would be nice to hear from them. Also, where are the authorities in all of this? --SVTCobra 19:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The autorities just started to act, but I need proper facts and I will meet all parties only on Sunday, so before that all I can say is a bit vague - it would be really good if you were able to read Italian (today there is an article on the first page of the Il Mattino newspaper - national edition). I tested out quite a bunch of beaches around here myself and only the so-called public beach and one of a hotel (most of the beaches are part of hotels) created me problems. Hmmm ... how much of that background info should go into such an article? Their reasoning is: you may not stay here and you may not go down through our stairs (but that is granted by Italian law). Probably it is because of revenues, but they do not tell you this - they just tell you that you are not allowed to stay there. When you then tell them to please call the carabinieri (that is one of the police forces here in Italy) they don't do it, because they know they would get into trouble themselves and who insists on staying would be on the right side, so if you show that you know your rights: they let you stay, because it is better to have just one who creates problems than getting the case public and other then follow that one person. So it is more a kind of a principle "war" among citicens and these nice guys ... I am not really angry with them, it is just that what they are doing is not correct, not even from a legal point of view. I have a press release here for the Sunday podium discussion ... I know who wrote it and I am authorised to use it in any which way - should I create a first follow-up on that? Hmmm ... I will try to talk to the mayor this afternoon. Ciao, --SabineCretella 10:44, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Sabine, sorry it took so long for me to read your reply. Here on English-Wikinews, the neutral-point-of-view has taken on a life of its own. See WN:NPOV. Basically, editorials (Editoriale) are not allowed (also not sure if the wikipedia pages are linking to the same thing). I look forward to updates from you. --SVTCobra 00:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC)