Talk:Freed hostage Sgrena, says shooting "no accident"


 * Who are the victims here? Who is dead? What does it matter who someone writes for..are we all the way back to the days of McCarthy? Our(USA) biggest trading partner is COMMUNIST China for goodness sakes. If it was an American reporter with Army Times who was wounded and a CIA agent killed by Italian soldiers would we be inferring the reporter's account is biased because he works for the army? Most importantly, prior tragedies that killed americans is no more relevant to this story than abu ghraib abuses; no more relevant at all. A BRAVE ITALIAN ALLY IS DEAD from American bullets and you want to neutralize the impact of that story with anti-communist rheteric and unrelated excuses,Shame; especially on Dan100 for POVing with "no choice"and falsely attributing that comment to the multi-national force.Shame. Paulrevere2005 05:15, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

You need to put the US military point of view. It is missing. --Carlosar 22:08, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC) I will try to fix it.
 * Done. &mdash; DV 22:17, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Good work guys; tonight you've restored my faith in the wiki way! I had added the MFI PoV once but PaulRevere2005 took it out again within minutes. Watch him. Dan100 (Talk) 22:36, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

You have to say that Sgrena works for a communist newspaper and that Americans were victims of car-bomb attacks before. I will restore the last version. Also, they were not unsourced and unrelated POV comments. They were sourced (follow the links) and they were facts, not comments. Please, see neutral point of view -- Carlosar 22:48, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Documents

 * The American generals are already claiming that it was the height of incompetence for the Italians to be driving at high speed at night, under a curfew situation, without establishing radio contact with the Coalition Forces, so I don't think this "investigation" is going to get very far.


 * However, I am skeptical about the claim that a tank shot hundreds of rounds into their car and two of the occupants lived to tell the tale.


 * If they wanted to assassinate her, they would have killed everyone in the car so there would be no witnesses to tell the truth of what happened.


 * This is a confusing story, and unfortunately, it is unlikely that "the truth" will emerge. &mdash; DV 02:44, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * You're quite right DV. A US M1 tank uses a 7.62mm co-axial machine gun; I've seen first-hand the use of such weapons (fires the same round as the British Army GPMG); the car would've been literally shredded. Dan100 (Talk) 06:57, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Here are some documents which support some claims in the text:

Giuliana Sgrena was always against the US operations in Iraq and Il Manifesto is a communist/socialist diary:


 * According to the Partito della Rifondazione Comunista:" A few days ago Giuliana Sgrena, a journalist for the communist daily newspaper "Il Manifesto" who has always been opposing war, was kidnapped in Iraq. From "Il Manifesto"'s website, www.ilmanifesto.it, you'll be able to access part of her work against the occupation of Iraq and, more generally, in support of the liberation struggle of the Arab world."


 * According to Issue 84 of INTERNATIONAL SOCIALISM JOURNAL Published Autumn 1999:"It was left to Il Manifesto, a socialist paper selling some 30,000 copies daily, to call for a mass demonstration."


 * "Sgrena's elderly parents, her companion Pier Scolari and staff from her newspaper, the communist daily Il Manifesto, led the march(...)" - Agence France-Presse


 * "Il Manifesto - A daily paper with decidedly leftist leanings published in Rome.- Ciao Italy


 * Il Manifesto (Italy) - Marxisms and Socialisms Links


 * US crimes in Iraq, by GIULIANA SGRENA - Il Manifesto, 05 June 2004


 * Sgrena, a 56-year-old journalist for the communist newspaper Il Manifesto(...) -- Journalist's Shooting Stirs Italian Anger,ANGELA DOLAND


 * (...)A well-known public intellectual in Italy, Luciana Castellina has been a leading voice for change since the 1970s. After leaving the leadership of the Communist Youth, Castellina co-founded the political organization and daily newspaper, "Il Manifesto." - Democracy Now. There is a video too!


 * My Name Is Giuliana Sgrena: I Write for a Newspaper Which Opposed the Sanctions and the War Against Iraq(...) - Online Journal


 * "Over 1,000 comrades exploded with joy when the release of kidnapped Italian journalist and communist Giuliana Sgrena was announced at their VI congress in Venice." - VI congress of Rifondazione Comunista celebrates release of Giuliana Sgrena Communist Party of Great Britain


 * "(...) Giuliana was in Iraq to witness the plight of innocent Iraqi people and show to the world that the invasion of Iraq by US forces has brought nothing positive but more pain,(...)" [Giuliana Sgrena, true defender of Iraqi and Afghan people must be release soon! BELLACIAO]

"Sgrena told colleagues the vehicle was not travelling fast and had already passed several checkpoints on its way to the airport. The Americans shone a flashlight at the car and then fired between 300 and 400 bullets at if from an armoured vehicle." Maybe All 400 Bullets Missed? (Alleged Photo of Sgrena car from Associated Press). Also, if it is true that the soldiers fired 300-400 bullets, why is she alive? Can someone survive to 300 bullets from army's mighty weapons?
 * This is interesting:


 * It turned out the car in the photo was not the one involved in the accident.