Talk:Jailed former Taiwanese President on hunger strike

Misleading Title
Chen was Taiwan's President, not its Premier. Under the Taiwanese system of government, the two positions carry very different responsibilities. The title needs to be changed. Arbiteroftruth (talk) 14:43, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Title changes
Please do not change title for some minor reason, especially if you are not familar with WN:NC. Instead bring it up here for consideration of other editors. Cheers, --SVTCobra 18:54, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I didn't realise there was a problem with changing titles. Cueball (talk) 18:56, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Per Naming conventions, we use a downstyle convention. As long as you observe WN:NC there is no problem with changing titles. That being said, "former" vs. "ex-" seems so minor that it needn't be changed. --SVTCobra 19:07, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, it was only a slight improvement but I thought it didn't require discussion precisely because of that. I note your comment on downstyling. Thanks. Cueball (talk) 19:11, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The article is currently up as a front page lead. The title should have been changed in the lead template too. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:23, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Update
I have added more information relating to criticism of the detention, as well as removed the comment on why Ma won the election. It's rather speculative given Chen wasn't running (had hit his maximum number of terms), so I think it's better to focus on the current affairs. Cueball (talk) 18:56, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the tidy-up. But why is this listed in the China category? This is just about Taiwan, right? Cueball (talk) 21:08, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * As some of the sources list, the former president was anti-China and claims his persecution is due to the now pro-China government seeking to kowtow to China. I'm sure that was in this at one point. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:21, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * He wasn't anti-China - China was anti-him. As things stand the news story doesn't refer to those allegations, so they should be added or the category tag removed. Cueball (talk) 21:24, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You removed
 * "In stark contrast to Chen's nationalist stance, the new premier Ma Ying-jeou favours closer ties with mainland China. This is stressed in the claims of political motivation for Chen's detention."


 * This was the justification for category China and is a key issue in the claims and counter-claims. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:39, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it is fair to say that pro-independance is anti-China. If you look at the issue from a black and white perspective, there are only two stances...pro-unification and pro-independance. The former is pro-China and latter is anti-China. There is very little room for gray in this matter. Thus, it is fair to say that Chen is anti-China. 70.89.229.25 16:38, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Not anti-China? Certainly anti-Chinese policies:

--Brian McNeil / talk 09:49, 14 November 2008 (UTC)