Talk:Kidnapped Italian journalist refutes American government claims

This article about Giuliana Sgrena has for the moment only one source. I removed some of the blatant POV, but there is a lot remaining. Thank you. Andrew pmk 20:27, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

How about we get KraKing!!

 * I would hope you are not dismissing fact as POV. Even the last para was related to this story, Andrew. Berlusconi is backing off his statements made when this woman first came home. These are the types of stories I wrote for the newsdesk on CNN:chat and headline news when I produced there. If you would like to see POV, just look at the printer-friendly version of the discussion. Andrew, I don't know you and you don't know me...but one thing anyone who knows me knows is that I don't mess too much up. I am pretty demanding. And I am known to most of the people on Wiktionary since I have been there for about 4 months. Just ask around.


 * But back to this story, I have read the water cooler discussions that many of you were having. I don't remember who said what, but I do remember that the word censorship was used with NPOV. Many times editors express their own POV by removing parts of stories that might clash with the government version. Which of course is their POV...Are you doing that at all? I would hope not.


 * If you would like me to make this article any more sterile while still hanging on tho the immediacy and human interest that is required in many news stories, I think we are not going to have much of a story left. So no matter how long you have been "cleaning" it up, I was working on it for several hours before that.
 * And news doesn't age very well, does it. Let's get cracking together on this and see if we can get it up while it still has legs, OK? --Alan J. Franklin 22:00, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the contribution, Alan.


 * Do you have another citation for the "4 inch long" "anti-artillery munitions"?


 * Although you've listed Naomi Klein as your source, unfortunately, she probably won't be viewed as a neutral, unbiased reporter in these parts (on Wikipedia, she is described as having written the manifesto for the anti-globalization movement).


 * There doesn't appear to be anything in the AP piece about those 4 inch long shells either. The only source that I've found on Google News for that "fact" is Naomi Klein.


 * (Maybe I'm searching using the wrong keywords? Or perhaps this piece of information has only appeared in print?)


 * The four inch bullets may very well be a "well-known fact" to you, but to survive attacks from some of the right-wingers around here, a cite will make the reference bullet-proof against would-be NPOV enforcers, to use a pun. :)


 * I saw that you dropped the name "CNN" a couple of times to bolster your credentials, so I was a bit surprised by the lack of citations. I'm sure you must have at least glanced at it before, but Google News can be your friend for citations (even if you have your own stash of links that you prefer) to quickly find a diverse assortment of mainstream as well as alternative sources that you can use to support your assertions of fact.


 * It gets old pretty fast when contributors drop a load of unsubstantiated stream of thought, and expect others to research and substantiate it for them, so I appreciate that you have made an obvious effort to start the ball rolling with a decent first draft, that is only light on the citations.


 * Sources, sources, sources. It's the name of the game on Wikinews. &mdash; DV 17:15, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Any way to change the title to 'rebuts'? 'Refutes' implies that there isn't a shadow of a doubt that the American govt claims are false. - Colm O'Connor 13:47, 27 March (UTC)