Talk:Main Page/Archive 14

How does the Main Page work?
Is the WikiNews Main Page created automatically? I just fixed the spelling on the title an article, and thought I should I should fix the link on the Main Page too. But there's no "Edit this page" button, and after a few minutes of searching I saw that my changed article title was now appearing on the Main Page...  There's nothing in the Help about "How this works". I'd create such a page, but I don't know how it works... Bob Jonkman 17:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * If you are referring to the leads, to update them you can click on the links to the right of this message. If you were referring to the list of articles for a day, it is updated automatically using DPLs.--Cspurrier 18:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Serie A Scandal
Serie A scandal 2006 needs adding. Major news story as 3 of Itlay's top football teams have bee relegated to Serie B after being found guily of match fixing. Juventus, Lazio and Fiorentina will all be playing in the second tier of Italian football next season. Juventus will start with a 30 point deduction, Lazio 9 and Fiorentina 12. AC Milan were also invovled in the scandel but will stay in Serie A, although with a 15 point deduction. [] Jimmmmmmmmm 20:56, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Need to change Iranian War 4th day blurb to reflect article.
The "Chinese developed, Iranian made Silkworm C802" statement is probably false. Please see the article discussion for details. --Pvt Parts 14:36, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

MONEY Magazine: Best places to live 2006
It seems like this type of info should be incorporated into the various top 10 cities and posted on wikinews. Although, I have made several good pages, I do not know much about news articles. TonyTheTiger
 * Wikinews is not an encyclopedia; that is, it is not an in-depth collection of non-newsworthy information. Just because something is a true fact doesn't mean it is suitable for inclusion here. Try Wikipedia instead. See What Wikinews is not. P.S. You could have just signed with four tides. F  e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  21:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Page Protection
Why can't I protect pages? I'm trying but it doesn't work? F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  21:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * This isn't really the forum for this question... WN:ALERT or a message to another administrator might be more appropriate. What exactly are you doing when it doesn't work? --Chiacomo (talk) 02:17, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Phone numbers
Shouldn't the toll-free number be first, even if it only applies to the US, Canada, and Caribbean? That's the other thing - it does apply to those areas that use a 1-area code-number, not just US. Also, UK is not abbreviated 'U.K.' Ergo 'USA' and 'UK' would seem more appropriate. 149.9.0.27 08:54, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree entirely with this suggestion. 85.25.135.126 09:09, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Fixed. F  e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  16:02, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

AIDS conference opens without PM
I've moved the above to Toronto AIDS conference opens without Canadian Prime Minister, as I think it makes it clearer precisely which "PM" we're talking about, and clarifies what a "PM" is for those living in countries without one. Could an admin please modify the main page accordingly? --James Kemp 11:14, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * done. Doldrums 11:20, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Māori
Māori is spelt with a "ā" not with an "a", like it is now.58.105.191.160 11:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

This is English wikinews, not Maori, and if we did that with every language we'd get things written in greek letters and arabic script, the right English language translation like it is in the dictionary, is Maori not Māori, doesn't matter how the New Zealand newspapers write it. Their just trying to be inclusive and multicultural, but this is about language and script on the English wikinews site.

Error?
On the right hand side of the main page where it lists other countries/regions it has the following: Africa | Asia | Australia | Central America | Europe | Middle East | North America | Oceania | South America | Random

World Cup

All regions, countries and topics

Why does Australia appear when it comes under Oceania when New Zealand doesn't appear as well. I reckon the New Zealand Portal has gained some ground since I joined. nzgabriel 09:59, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I fixed that by adding New Zealand. F  e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  15:19, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The historical reason for that was that Australia at the time it was added to that list was the most well-maintained portal (by a long way), where Oceania wasn't that well maintained. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 21:08, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Stories on Main Page
Is it possible to change the order of the stories on the Main Page?

Mick 22:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * sort-of. Be more specific. What do you want to do? Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 21:09, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Interview link on featured story template
I personally think it would be better if that went to Category:Interview instead of the IOTM page at meta. What does everyone else think? Bawolff ☺☻ 21:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Since no one's said anything I'm going to be bold and change it. feel free to revert me if you disagree. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 22:50, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

headline correction needed
Can an admin change the headline on the lead story so that "U.N" (with one period) becomes "UN" or at least "U.N."?Crimson 16:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Someone's already done it, but you don't need to be an admin to do that. To move it all you need to do is click the rename tab at the top of the page (or go to special:Movepage/ ). As well as changing template:Lead article. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 22:48, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Wow 24 stories
We're really growing, the Writing contest isn't even on. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:43, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yup. F  e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  22:44, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Sadly, the quality of these articles is very lower than what we had a year ago. I'm very dissapointed.  --

no computer?
Got news and no computer? Call the Wikinews Hotline.

If someone has no computer, how are they supposed to see this?


 * Maybe they don't have a computer at the moment when the news is happening. -- IlyaHaykinson 03:19, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe people with computers told there friends. (OTOH the only person I actually remember using this (besides tests) was MrM and he was an active contributor at the time). Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 03:28, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Certainly can't hurt to keep it. --  Zanimum 17:24, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Space saving/dynamic content
After doing the templates for the regions, I've created another couple of templates Template:Dynamic developing list and Template:Dynamic disputed list. These replace the rather lengthy section taken up by the static DPLs. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:45, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Can the text size of the DPLs the same the the text size of all the rest of the stuff. It's a bit small and discourages people especially new people from editing these articles.-Apartmento2 12:01, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll look into setting up the required templates for full-size text in expanding/collapsing areas. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:47, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

collapsing disputed and developing
From talk page of brianmc

I disagree with this change on the main page. I look at the disputed and developing stories to see if I can contribute. To me they are as important as the published articles. TRWBW 12:40, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * For that I think you really should be using the newsroom, buut I moved the comment here so we can have a bit more discussion. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:47, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree with TRWBW, I check disputed and developing stories every day. With out them on the front page few editors will see them and hence we will end up with fewer publiched articles of lower quality. Anarchist42 18:19, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I also dispute the change. It is now very very hard to see them on the main page - and I often check the disputed / developing articles to see where I can help out / to watch for copyvio etc etc). --Skenmy(talk) 20:21, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Me too. I think that using a section of small text which collapses reduces the feeling of importance for developing and disputed articles and therefore reduces the editing attention these artile recieve. Since they have become collapsible and begin collapsible when I go to the main page I only check these sections when I want to edit something (most time I come to the site). Otherwise I can't be bothered. Collapsible sections in small text serves the purpose of reducing length of the frontpage which is less important than creating a feeling of importance for developing and disputed articles and making sure they get lots of attention which therefore increase the quality and credibility of Wikinews.--Apartmento2 21:54, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Can't the template be written in full text and begin uncollapsed.--Apartmento2 02:16, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Nobody has spoken for this other than one or two comments in IRC, I've reverted it but have a suggestion from Amgine to collapse some of the parts on the right of the page. I'll see what  can come up with. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:36, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * On second though I liked it collapsible. --Apartmento2 06:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I dislke the pull down menus highly. it takes twice as long to find and read articles. Jason Safoutin 00:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I've tried a few places using this, it is experimental code from the German wikipedia which came by way of Wikipedia, and something on Wikinews interferes with it working as consistently (cross-browser) as on Wikipedia. Check the bottom of this page, do the expand/collapse boxes work better than here?

Actually, I get things auto-expanded in IE on this machine unless I add Wikinews to trusted sites, then I get the same as in Firefox.

Here's screenshots, click pic to see what I see.









The security level on Internet Explorer is set to "Medium" for most of these screenshots. I have also seen the same version of IE on another machine render the [Show]/[Hide] boxes right next to the section's title, but Wikipedia worked for that browser. I will try to get a screenshot of that case as well. Perhaps someone could track down why this doesn't work consistently. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

random noise
http://www.mantionememorial.blogspot.com/

Mantione Memorial The Following Letter Was Sent to George W. Bush - Chuck Schumer - Hillary Clinton - And Louise Slaughter.

Dear Representatives,

A member of the Buffalo Psych Center's Outpatient program beat one of my ex-girlfriends to within an inch of her life. She resides in ECMC with a broken nose and 2 ocular fractures. She may never see again.

Her name is Allison Mantione. I don't know the name of the perpetrator other than he was from Riverside neighborhood in Buffalo, NY. He is due to be sentenced this morning.
 * How the hell do you not know who he is? Court records are public. Police reports are public. If he has been incarcerated pending trial, that's public too. And your ex-girlfriend could tell you, there are no gag orders on victims. TRWBW 10:30, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I Beg you not to let him off the hook. Psychiatry is no match for violence. He deserves life imprisonment.

24.54.69.175 09:33, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Montreal shooting
Whoa, where the heck did the link to the Shots fired at a Montreal college article go? --64.231.106.56 (Reaper X) 20:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * its: 20 injured in Montreal college shooting spree. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 23:18, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * ie it was renamed. --  Zanimum 17:23, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Crowd attacks national television in Budapest, Hungary after yesterday's scandal
...if anyone's interested. I guess this could be fit for the main page. 84.0.192.114 21:41, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Contributions section
Could we please amend this to replace 'UK/Europe' with simply 'Europe'? The former implies that the UK is not part of Europe and while the thinking of a vocal minority in the tabloid UK press, it clearly is. -Marky 20:22, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I had never given this issue any thought before, but it seems reasonable. What other continent could the UK possibly be part of? Antartica? South America? TRWBW 10:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Major railway disaster in Germany
Crash with a service van on the driverless maglev test traintrack in Germany, up to 20 people possibly killed. 195.70.32.136 13:51, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * an article on this is under development: Transrapid collision in Germany kills one. Doldrums 13:52, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Problem with main page
The wikinews style guide clearly says "In journalism, the location in the dateline may either refer to the location of where the article was filed from or where the event happened even if the writer was not physically present." But the main page will not display article of a particular date until GMT reaches that date. So articles published just after midnight in a GMT+9 country will not bee seen on the main page until 9 hours later. - Humanoid 00:06, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * This is an unfortunate problem due to how the Main Page is set up &mdash; I believe this is going to be addressed in a new Main Page design I will be creating. —     00:10, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Most of us just use UTC, I would suggest you do as well. :) --Cspurrier 00:11, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * This is now fixed with the current main page, articles from "tomorrow" grouped alongside today's. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:38, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Want to Help
I want to help Wikinews.

I want to know if I can get an EMail address.

I also want to know what I can do.
 * i have replied on your talk page. see also Wikinews needs you! Doldrums 03:06, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

feed
The RSS feed hasn't been updated in quite some time.
 * Fixed I hope. The changes to the Latest news template, confused the bot that generates the RSS feed--Cspurrier 19:30, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, I was to busy feeling smug about actually getting a change to the main page to stick to check for edge cases where the template is used. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:00, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Feed is broken again, see my comment below at http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Bug:_RSS_Feeds_Broken:_Not_being_updated. Towsonu2003 07:17, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Pull down menus
Who's idea was it to make the previous dates pull down on the main page? IMO it takes twice as long to look at and or find articles. Was there a discussion on this being done? Jason Safoutin 23:43, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I think its Brianmc's and Doldrums' (could be wrong) idea. Its been discussed on the water cooler, this page and in various other places. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 23:53, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 

Mark Foley
I can find no coverage of the Mark Foley scandal on Wikinews. Is this systemic bias? 193.113.57.167 09:32, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * See Writing an article. F  e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  16:10, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It's a case that Wikinews writers write about what they're interested in. Since no one here seems interested in this top headline, it simply doesn't get published. By the same measure, the newest ad in a campaign interested me today, so I was the second news outlet to write about it. But as FellowWikipedian suggested, we need more writers. Care to contribute an article or two? --  Zanimum 16:34, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Lost article?
I have 'published' an article "Blunket defines the main task for us all" and it seems to have got lost somewhere - I can find it in Recent Changes but nowhere in the news - what have I done wrong? Fentonrobb 11:54, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * answered on the Water cooler. Doldrums 14:09, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Portals on the navigation box
What happend to the portals list on the navigation box? That list was pretty handy, imo. F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  21:02, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Still seem to be there to me. Can you be more specific? (If you mean on the sidebar under the heading Regions, that only appears on the Monobook skin).Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 22:35, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Protection
Hi, I was just looking at Template:Sisterprojects. Shouldn't this and any other templates appearing on the Main Page be protected? Just a thought. Dovi 21:17, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I have semi-protected the page to prevent vandalism. F  e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  01:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Running Together
By opening all of the [show] and [hide] items, some text runs into the Sister Projects area. Any way to fix this? Thunderhead (talk) 22:22, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Not seeing it. what browser? Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 22:34, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Internet Explorer Thunderhead (talk) 02:22, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Headlines
Many of the headlines here seem deceptive to me; the 4-year-old boy was not on the no-fly-list; someone else with his name was. This has happened before. The use of the term "Explosions rock the Green Zone" make it sound like something particularly significant militarily is going on, not a simple fire in an ammo depo, etc. 128.187.129.62 02:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed, some headlines are deceptive. However, if you create a Wikinews account, you can move them to have more appropriate headlines. Anyway, the no-fly article is going to the chopping block, the "news" was almost a year old. --  Zanimum 16:30, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

CBGB's closes its doors
I've never written an article for this project (and I have to hurry to work this morning) but I'd like to ask a more experienced editor to start a news page for this story:. CBGB's was a seminal club - arguably the seminal club - for the punk rock genre. Many innovative groups that later went mainstream such as Blondie, the B-52's, and the Talking Heads got their start there. 72.199.30.31 14:24, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Admins
Are there any admins on wikinews? If so, what qualities should an admin on wikinews have? Icelandic Hurricane 00:25, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * See WN:ADMIN--Cspurrier 00:27, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Featured story <=> Third Lead
"The third lead should be the one that has the most human interest, the best written story that day perhaps or a quirky story - whatever people feel is most likely to get readers reading, besides the day's top breaking news."

I know this has been brought up before (although I can't find the previous discussion right now... Anyway I suggest, once again, that we get rid of the "Featured" label, or change the above description from Template:Third lead. It's confusing, suggests WN:FA. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 23:28, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I put in big letters its not WN:FA, besides the majority of people don't know wn:FA exsists. user:Bawolff 23:35, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * All the more reason why that lable should be removed from the third lead. It's only confusing and serves no purpose.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:37, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Tibetans masacre
http://www.protv.ro/filme/exclusive-footage-of-chinese-soldiers-shooting-at-tibetan-pilgrims.html#4265 - that's a link to a tv footage of Chineese military killing Tibetans on 30. september. The footage was taken in Himalayas by romanian cameraman. Can anyone write article about it ? As you see my english isn't good...


 * That seems a bit long ago already, has it been covered by other media, and when? Please provide a link.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:15, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

UN Passes Sanctions on DPRK
Seeing as how I'm still very new to Wikinews I personally think that the creation of this article should be left to someone with more experience. Below is a rather comprehensive article on the resolution, as well as the Wikipedia article.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=20261&Cr=DPRK&Cr1= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1718

Thank you. USMA 03:59, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * You can just start one, others will pick up on it. Just be bold! I've launched a proposal here.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 15:44, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

This pages intro
I gave the intro to this page a twist, please comment.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 15:52, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

rss feed problem
Defence officals: Satellite photos suggest second North Korea nuclear test

was moved here

U.S. Defense officials: Satellite photos suggest second North Korea nuclear test


 * have created the redirects. shld be fixed now. &mdash; Doldrums(talk) 17:31, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Bug: RSS Feeds Broken: Not being updated.
At http://feeds.feedburner.com/WikinewsLatestNews (shown at the main page), RSS feeds are not being updated. please fix. it's stuck at the "Haze Covers South East Asia" news. Towsonu2003 07:15, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Updated today (ie fixed). thanks Towsonu2003 18:44, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Please!
Could someone please right an article about Scotch College, Perth. They have been big news recently in Perth.Google News Cheers. w:User:Hamedog


 * Wikinews is written by volunteers, about what the volunteers are interested in or feel vital to cover. --  Zanimum 21:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

US declares vital interest in space
How is US declares vital interest in space still the 'top story'?--SVTCobra 01:55, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Feel free to change it. Bawolff ☺☻ 08:38, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Israeli warplanes have fired over a German naval vessel
Someone should make an article on wikipedia about this recent event:

-- http://infowars.com/articles/ww3/israel_fires_on_german_ship.htm --


 * I have posted it under proposed articles in the Newsroom, this is the place for such things. Also, we are not Wikipedia but Wikinews. I've also removed the content you've posted since it violates copyright policy on this site. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 15:50, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, the story is here, I'm not sure I've done enough to take off the tag I added. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:30, 30 October 2006 (UTC)