Talk:Mark Rutte Dutch caretaker cabinet announces election in November

Technicalities
should it be more accurate where accuracy is possible?


 * not just any asylum seekers, specifically over war refugees, mostly from syria and ukraine. https://nos.nl/collectie/13942/artikel/2482044-hoe-rutte-vriend-en-vijand-verraste-reconstructie-van-de-val-van-rutte-iv they would have gotten a different classification, restricting family reunion (as described) and shortening stay (which has implications for attaining citizenship)
 * approximately three months of negotiations https://nos.nl/collectie/13942/artikel/2482044-hoe-rutte-vriend-en-vijand-verraste-reconstructie-van-de-val-van-rutte-iv
 * measures were proposed by CDA and backed by the VVD. https://nos.nl/artikel/2462966-cda-wil-onderscheid-tussen-vluchtelingen-weer-instellen https://nos.nl/collectie/13942/artikel/2482044-hoe-rutte-vriend-en-vijand-verraste-reconstructie-van-de-val-van-rutte-iv
 * he has since handed in his resignation https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/08/mark-rutte-resigns-dutch-coalition-government-over-asylum-row
 * elections will be held at the earliest half-way through November https://www.nu.nl/val-kabinet/6271468/nieuwe-verkiezingen-vinden-op-zijn-vroegst-half-november-plaats.html

references: Bart Terpstra (talk) 14:06, 9 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you, yes, it would be better to be more specific. Will amend the article now. 1TWO3Writer (talk) 14:10, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * In the CDA proposal of February, the non-permanent group can stay for a maximum of 3 years, if the war was still going on at that point, it could be extended (but not guaranteed)
 * currently, all recognised refugees have the same rights, among which is the right to family reunification and a residence permit for up to 7 years, which can be converted to a perment status afterwards https://nos.nl/artikel/2462966-cda-wil-onderscheid-tussen-vluchtelingen-weer-instellen Bart Terpstra (talk) 14:42, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * 1TWO3Writer, Bart Terpstra: Do we really need all these sources? Per WN:CS, we can't include extraneous sources. Heavy Water (talk) 14:12, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I have no idea. I never really edit on this domain. I'm here to read and interpret Dutch sources.
 * Reading WN:CS, i don't yet understand what you mean.
 * The NOS timeline one should be sufficient for NOS sources, as it links to the "CDA wants division" page.
 * guardian source is superflous.
 * you need a source that claims "elections at the earliest half-way november" (Which is why nu.nl is there)
 * Bart Terpstra (talk) 14:20, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I was just asking if there were superfluous sources; I guess we can remove The Guardian, then. Heavy Water (talk) 15:29, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * a few of the English ones might be too. Bart Terpstra (talk) 18:26, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Heavy Water @Bart Terpstra Guardian, Politico and Reuters got the boot. Keeping at least one English article for non-Dutch people's verification. 1TWO3Writer (talk) 18:48, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Political leanings in The Netherlands
The political center in The Netherlands lies elsewhere then in other countries (USA) The claim that recent years have had more far-right parties being founded and gaining seats, these new parties have not been mentioned on the article, PVV is older.
 * Christian union: centre, socially conservative, fiscally liberal, but less extreme in both than the PVV, with christian values.
 * D66: centre, progressive, pro-europe.
 * VVD: centre-right, neo-liberal
 * CDA: centre/centre-right, christian democracy/social conservatism
 * PVV: right-wing/far-right, (ethno) nationalist/welfare chauvenist
 * BBB: right-wing, Agrarianism, euro-skepticism.

examples of recently popular far-right parties would be FVD and JA21. Bart Terpstra (talk) 15:44, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Review of revision 4737060 [Not ready]

 * Hm. I meant refocusing to the scheduling of the election, since that was the most recent development, but I guess that can be treated as WN:NEWINFO relative to this focus, keeping it from sapping this focal event's freshness. Don't forget the "when" of the 5Ws&H, though, 1TWO3Writer. Heavy Water (talk) 21:20, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * On it. 1TWO3Writer (talk) 21:36, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Heavy Water How's this? 1TWO3Writer (talk) 21:54, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, the focal event here is now what Slot said today, right? So, the lead and headline need to make clear those are the "what" and "when" (since "there will be an election in November" isn't a suitable focus, but "X said today there will be an election in November" is) and then Slot's statement needs a second source to verify it. Heavy Water (talk) 22:20, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Heavy Water Updated. 1TWO3Writer (talk) 22:47, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @1TWO3Writer: Can another source be added (to replace Reuters, if Reuters then becomes redundant) mentioning the cabinet's announcement &mdash; Reuters' is an announcement from Slot? After that, I think this will be quick to review. Heavy Water (talk) 23:29, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. @Heavy Water 1TWO3Writer (talk) 23:39, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @1TWO3Writer: This NOS source has the same problem. But an AP article I see (I'm not sure if it's OK for me to link to it in terms of reviewer uninvolvedness) will work. Heavy Water (talk) 17:07, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Heavy Water Got it. 1TWO3Writer (talk) 17:18, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Heavy Water It's done, by the way. Perhaps my earlier message made it seem I was about to do it when in-fact I did it. Sorry! 1TWO3Writer (talk) 21:23, 15 July 2023 (UTC)