Talk:New Zealand diplomats: Fiat using Maori haka in television ad is insensitive

title is pov
title expresses an opinion, needs to be attributed. needs rewording to something like "X finds Fiat ad insensitive" or "Fiat using Maori haka in television ad "is insensitive"" (note extra quotes). Doldrums 07:11, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed - was just coming in here to say the same thing R2b2 07:13, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I hope the new title helps nipovisize it. — THIS IS M ESSED [[Image:R with umlaut.png]] OCKER (TALK) 07:29, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * how about "NZ diplomats" and/or "TV ad"? Doldrums 07:45, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

tell me
Can't a woman sing/dance haka ? or it's just the usage in the ad that hurt sensibility ? it's not clear for me. It's seem that this song/dance is very important for New Zealand people but i know no more. Jacques Divol 07:57, 4 July 2006 (UTC) from the other side of the earth :)
 * I believe that if there is a powhiri (welcome onto a marae (meeting area)) then women have to sit in the back seats, maybe that has something to do with it?nzgabriel 10:05, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * there are specific haka for women. But since it is a war dance, and men are the ones who usually go to war, well, you get the point.  And you perform the haka, not sing/dance it.  And gabriel, that has nothing to do with it (although it is discriminatory etc, they are just unrelated).

Maori culture has nothing to do with it.
This is making a reference to rugby, plain and simple. Maori culture doesn't come into it.
 * well, that's your view. In my view it is trying to trade in on the traditional warrior idea of Maori.


 * Actually I disagree with both the above unsigned comments. Use of the Haka in rugby has a long tradition which rabidly PC people are only now starting to question.  Using it in a TV advert, despite requests to show a modicum of respect to Maori traditions, is just an indication of how shallow your average advertising executive is.  They don't care what they exploit, as long as it makes you feel good enough to think positively about their product. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:03, 31 July 2006 (UTC)