Talk:On the campaign trail, June 2012

Summary
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 * Fred Karger officially ends 2012 presidential campaign
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 * U.S. Supreme Court upholds health care mandate
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Wikinews interviews Green Party candidate
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 * Wikinews interviews Kent Mesplay, Green Party presidential candidate
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 * Transcript of interview posted in the article

American Independent Party primary results
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Edward C. Noonan:

MY ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS: 1. How exactly were you able to win the American Independent Party presidential primary in California? Did you campaign or advertise? I am glad you are more confident that I am that I have clinched the AIP spot. As of yesterday it was still “too close to tell.” I was 800+ votes ahead (last Tuesday), and yesterday I was only 600 ahead of Roth. I await the final outcome with bated breath to see who actually won. And if it is indeed the will of the Lord to have me come out ahead in this vote then I will accept the outcome regardless of the way the vote is tallied. And let me be clear, I do not believe that the Will of the Lord will be that I “AM ELECTED PRESIDENT.” I am inspired to believe that this will “never be.” However, I believe it is my duty to offer up a “resistance” to the corruption and the vile political deceit that abounds in our nation. My ONLY PURPOSE to run for the office of POTUS was to “have standing” in my lawsuit against Mr. Soetoro (aka BHO). As you know, Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona has concluded in his 6 month long criminal investigation of Mr. Soetoro that the birth certificate that Soetoro has offered up to the American people is forged and a fraudulent document. I have maintained an opinion that it was clearly false 24 hours after Soetoro posted it on the White House website. A legitimate birth certificate would not have multiple layers of different typewriter font sizes. Nor would signatures be multi-colored and sliced into the document in different patches. So, since Soetoro cannot produce a legitimate birth certificate…he cannot prove that he is an American citizen. Before he needs to prove he is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN (a person born to TWO U.S. Citizens, and born in the United States (or territories)), he will first need to prove his is a CITIZEN. But Soetoro’s birth father was a foreign national from Kenyan and this makes Soetoro ineligible to be POTUS. I have had my recent suit in court dismissed. No hearing on merits, no fairness, no openness. The hounds of the Evil-doer-Soetoro did their best in proclaiming that the Secretary of State “had no duty” to insure the Constitution was upheld and Article II was complied with. The party-hack Judge Michael P. Kenny agreed that the SoS had no duty to perform her constitutional oath! What a crock! You ask, “how exactly was I able to win the AIP nomination?” I say this… it was against overwhelming odds AGAINST me! My irritating friend, Mark Seidenberg, the current State Party Chairman of the AIP, pitted me against a Republican traitor, Laurie Roth. I felt it was unfair that I had to go up against a candidate that is/was touted as a “Republican Woman Leader” last year in her home state. (See her webpage.) She is a vice-chair of her Republican Party Central Committee in her home state of Washington. Seidenberg also pitted me against Mad Max of the Citizen’s Party. Neither of these two candidates who were on the CA ballot are AIP voters, nor AIP friendly. I fear Seidenberg would have done our AIP a big disservice if either of these two non-AIPers had been elected. I am unfriendly to the idea of non-AIP candidates running for office within our party. Did I campaign or advertise? YES! EVERY FLIPPIN’ DAY! I sent out many, many Press Releases but not a single news media reprinted them (to my knowledge) or called for clarification or more info. But I was hardly the silent candidate. If you will GOOGLE my name EDWARD C. NOONAN you will discover the hundreds and hundreds of attempts on the internet I made to get my message out. Most were anti-Soetoro barbed “Comments” but so what? I was a candidate of the 3rd Largest party in America and I had a right to be heard… but was I? (Not much!) In my entire 6 months of campaigning, I ONLY HAD THREE interviews. My first was here locally on KMYC (1410), my buddy Nathan Sorenson who hosts a Saturday afternoon radio show had me and three other minor 3rd Party POTUS candidates on for a debate. And then Fox News L.A. had a last minute interview aired (via internet) the day before election. He (Lee Ross) sandwiched me in between Roseann Barr (socialist/Green Party) and another Socialist candidate from the Peace and Freedom Party. So the outcome, was that it made me look like a Socialist wannabe. And the 3rd interview was with KMYC (1410) (my buddy again) the Saturday before the primary election. And so far, you are the ONLY news person that has interviewed me AFTER the Primary… and you will probably be one of the FEW. I do ask however, when you rewrite this piece for your socialist organization (wikinews)… could you please NOT sandwich me in between two of your Marxist wannabe comrades? …. Please? 2. Why would you be a better nominee for the AIP than other candidates such as Constitution Party nominee Virgil Goode? See, even you are doing it! Why is the Constitution Party (and you) pimping for the GOP? Virgil Goode is a REPUBLICAN! Damn it! When is the CP going to learn? They pimped for Ron Paul for most of this year (and in 2008 as well), they pimped for Tom Tancredo in 2010 and now the CP wants to bed down with Virgil Goode! When is the CP going to stop sleeping with the devil and start weaning themselves off the GOP kool aid? Tom Tancredo said, "it was just a marriage of convenience..." Sounds like a harlot relationship to me! The GOP has brought a sickness to this land that will never heal. As long as the Republican Party has any leadership given to it, this land will fester with evil corruption. It began in the beginning of the Republican Party under Lincoln who unconstitutionally INVADED and ATTACKED sovereign states to FORCE them to remain in the Union. And the evil continued in 1881 during the times of the Robber Barons lead by Chester Arthur. As you know, Arthur was NOT a natural born citizen. He was not qualified to be POTUS. His father was a British subject and did not become an US citizen until 1843. Chester Arthur was born in 1820 and spent the first 23 years of his life as a British subject as well. I state in my book, Chester Arthur – 1st Bogus POTUS vs. Death of America (see: http://www.scribd.com/doc/65209009/Chester-Arthur-%E2%80%93-1st-Bogus-POTUS-vs-Death-of-America ) that the “Death of America” began for sure in 1881 for the first time, and it ended again on January 20, 2009 when another ineligible POTUS stole the White House. While you’re at it, read my other book, “2012 – Political Disaster Guaranteed” (See: http://www.scribd.com/doc/65211498/2012-Political-Disaster-Guaranteed ) 3. What is the most important issue facing the United States, and how will you address it as president? Are you kidding? The most important issue facing the US is the death of our Constitution, the death of our nation and the death of our freedoms and liberties! But the people do not care. Here in California only 27.6% of the people turned out to vote. The SoS (CA) website shows: Of the 27.6% that showed up at the polls, Mr. Soetoro got 1,787,903 votes to “continue the Marxist/Socialist” way of life. Romney, on the other hand, got 1,320,954 votes to “continue the Marxist/Socialist” way of life (but not quite so fast.) I got an insignificant 14,913 votes to drain the cesspool and start all over. I guess I was soundly thrashed and lost the debate but I vow to continue the fight on. Remember… I got 14,913 voters only from the AMERICAN INDEPENDENT PARTY. (Including “declined to state voters”). We have 415,000 registered voters in CA. Only 9.2% of AIP registered voters even bothered to vote! Most of the people in the AIP haven’t the foggiest idea what the party is all about. They do not study the candidates or issues, they do not get involved, and most AIP voters do not have a clue what is in our party platform even says. The corrupt news media of America has ignored the 3rd Parties for so long, we are not even part of the national discussion anymore…so we are not part of the local political scene. Every once in a while one of us get a mention in some minor news piece (like wikinews) but only a handful of people will see it, or read it. So you are asking a silly question…”how will you address it as president?” I am doing it already… I am fighting and resisting the Republican corruption, and of course, battling the even more evil Democrat/ Marxist Party. But both are two heads from the same beast. You are NOT getting the “lesser of two evils”… you are just getting EVIL regardless of which of the two you vote for. How do I define evil? D&C 98 4 And now, verily I say unto you concerning the alaws of the land, it is my will that my people should observe to do all things whatsoever I command them.

5 And that alaw of the land which is bconstitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me.

6 Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the aconstitutional law of the land;

7 And as pertaining to law of man, whatsoever is more or less than this, cometh of evil.

8 I, the Lord God, make you afree, therefore ye are free indeed; and the law also maketh you free.

9 Nevertheless, when the awicked brule the people mourn.

10 Wherefore, ahonest men and wise men should be sought for diligently, and good men and wise men ye should observe to uphold; otherwise whatsoever is less than these cometh of evil.

Edward C. Noonan President 2012 American Independent Party

Might Rand Paul be the GOP VP nominee?
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Mr. Sabato, I'm a reporter for Wikinews, the free news website. I am currently writing an article about the possibility that Senator Rand Paul will be selected as Mitt Romney's running mate. What do you see as the pros and cons of such a selection? Thanks, William Saturn

WSS:

Mr. Judy,

I am writing another article for Wikinews about the presidential election, and would like to get your thoughts on an issue.

Since Senator Rand Paul endorsed Mitt Romney last week, there's been an increase in speculation that he may be selected as Romney's running mate. What would be the pros and cons of such a selection?

Thanks, William Saturn

Dan Judy:

Hi William,

Rand Paul could help Romney with the hard-core Tea Party base, an increasingly small portion of which is still not completely sold on Romney's conservative credentials. But I think there's virtually no shot that Paul is the VP choice. He's very new to the political scene and very inexperienced, comes from a solidly Republican state, and is unlikely to appeal to the less ideological independents that Romney will need to win in November. I also don't know of any personal relationship he and Romney have, and that's something that is usually important in a VP selection. I think Paul's endorsement was his way of supporting the Republican team and hoping to curry some favor with the Romney folks in hopes of getting his dad a speaking slot at the convention, rather than as a play for the VP nod.

Hope this is helpful,

Dan

Kyle Kondik:

William – Prof. Sabato is tied up at the moment, but I wanted to provide some answers to your questions. I work with him on our Crystal Ball newsletter. While vice presidential selections are very unpredictable, it would be a real surprise if Mitt Romney selected Rand Paul as his running mate. While the supporters of Ron and Rand Paul are a vocal part of the Republican Party, they are but one small constituency, and their views, particularly on matters of war and peace, are too different from Romney and the Republican mainstream to imagine Rand (or Ron) in the No. 2 slot on the ticket. A presidential nominee and his running mate need to really be on the same page, and the No. 2 must subordinate his/her own views to the nominee. It’s hard to see Rand Paul wanting to do that, and it’s hard to see Romney, a low-drama candidate, willfully inviting such a distraction. Thanks, Kyle

Cillizza? or Blake?
After looking at this list and seeing that the article in question is not only "posted by Aaron Blake" but also "by Aaron Blake", I suggest the following changes (in bold) to paragraph 4 of the "Summary" section:

About two weeks after the announcement, ' analyst Aaron Blake of 's The Fix '''examined polls from and reported that though many voters in the swing states of Florida, Pennsylvania, and Ohio favored the new policy, those concerned about the issue were much more likely to oppose it. Blake concluded that the new policy would likely help Obama in the Latino-heavy swing states of Colorado and Nevada, but might possibly hurt him in Pennsylvania and Ohio.

--William S. Saturn (talk) 18:44, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

'Some' vs. 'Many'
I agree that 'many' is not something that can be verified, so how about we use a different word for 'some', since it is used again later in the section. Would 'certain' be appropriate?--William S. Saturn (talk) 22:58, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The duplication of 'some' grated just a little, but not overmuch. After mulling it over for a while, I don't think I'm comfortable with 'certain' in the context.  --Pi zero (talk) 05:50, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Review of revision 1547343 [Passed]

 * Thank you very much for the review. I appreciate the work you had to put in to it. I apologize for making it so long; I'll work to cut down next month's. --William S. Saturn (talk) 17:40, 5 July 2012 (UTC)