Talk:U.N. to begin forming response to Iranian nuclear program

Iran reaction another step in WW3
"Axis of Evil" threat and "Crusade" referencewere enough to get this scene in play.

To me it's so frustrating that most of us never look back to see why/who/how this and other wars began. Here is some non-disputed info showing that the primary engineers of WW2, Vietnam, and WW3 all belong(ed) to one little cult (please see the membership list near the bottom of the "external links" in the wikipedia article).. and a thorough examination of the cult shows that its members believe that the public are "barbarians" of varying worth and it is their(cult members) right and duty to exploit,control and kill us to further their own power and riches.


 * A; WW2... This Guardian article only mentions 4 names as being part of the Hitler support team(Bush,Harriman,Walker(yep;that's where the "W" comes from) and Woolley); All 4 are on the membership list.


 * B; Vietnam... This Association of Former Intelligence Officers site references Averell Harriman and William and McGeorge Bundy as the engineers of the Vietnam war. All 3 are on the list.


 * C; WW3 (one we're beginning now); These sites show how the Bush father and son (both on the list) relay team planted the seeds, added the fertilizer and are now reaping the harvest of this one

The advantage these war engineers have is that us "barbarians"(as they refer to us all) simply can not imagine the level of evil within their hearts; so we simply ignore (or accept) unacceptable facts (there were no WMD's in Iraq type of facts). Paulrevere2005 17:49, 9 August 2005 (UTC)


 * i think what you're trying to say is that there is a sustained propaganda campaign underway to justify a war against Iran by USA/UK. Well, there are some judgments (which may or may not turn out to be correct) that the US regime only wishes to destabilise the Iranian regime and that it's not crazy enough (despite all appearances) to actually try a hot war against Iran:


 * Europe to Bush: “Hands off Iran”? Mike Whitney http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=22&ItemID=7333
 * http://blog.zmag.org/index.php/weblog/entry/rattling_iran/ Noam Chomsky
 * Sasan Fayazmanesh http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=67&ItemID=8371
 * In any case, in the runup to the official start of the attack on Iraq, the information about lack of WMD was available, but it didn't get through to the majority of the US public. In this case, in the runup to a possible US/UK attack on Iran, a heck of a lot of information is again available, plus we have 5 million Iranians on the internet and the Iranian blogs. We also have lots of good articles on the wikipedia which are much more NPOV and in-depth than many of the wikinews articles. So here's my suggestion:
 * If you want to stop POV propaganda being used to justify a hot war/attack on Iran, then you can help the Iranians (and also help the people in the USA and Europe irrationally afraid of Iran) by NPOVing the wikinews articles "


 * Good grief! What's irrational about being suspicious of a government that cries 'death to america' everytime someone's listening? 'Poor people' couldn't give a damn about the non-proliferation treaty; they want food in their bellies and jobs. If Iran had a government run by sane and sensible people, it could be one of the most prosperous countries in the world. Instead, the moooo-lahs are bent on keeping their citizens in the dark ages and blackmailing the west with the threats of nuclear proliferation -- and some of them may actually even want to use them to help expand the caliphate.

i.e., making sure they remind people of the full text of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, of the POVs of representatives of poor countries (not just Iran - if you look up the May 2005 meeting on the treaty - http://www.un.org/events/npt2005/ - you'll find that people in poor countries are pretty angry at the official and unofficial NWS (nuclear weapons states) for not disarming. Have a look at the NPOV changes i made to the article here - anyone else could have done them - but i'm just one person, i'm not always going to be online, i don't read wikinews that often, and as the official propaganda gets heavier, there are going to more people assuming that Iranians are bad people who hate us and it's going to be harder to keep the articles NPOV. So if you really believe what you say, then please help to NPOV the articles with missing information. Saying in the talk page that this is just propaganda is not an effective way of NPOVing it - either the info is wrong, in which case you can correct it, or else it is POV in some other way, in that case, please NPOV it. Anyway, see NPOV if you're not familiar with the NPOV concept (it's not just about neutrality, it's a particular mechanism).
 * Another way to put it, is if you want to trace this particular news item to a similar cult, then you can add your point 3 here as context, but you need to write it in an NPOV way, e.g. something like According to the Washington Post, globalresearch.ca, and xxxx, this event is part of a systematic campaign to justify a war against Iran but it would have to be much more tightly argued based on external references, i.e. it's best if it is not your own (original) analysis, what you can do is synthesise published analyses by public, reasonably well-known people and probably it should be first done in a wikipedia article, something like Propaganda campaign to invade Iran 2005 - or maybe even start a sketch on your home page first and make sure it's highly NPOV, since otherwise it will quickly get deleted as POV. Invite people to edit it, and after some time (a week or so), shift it to a real article. Boud 15:03, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Its fine & fair to mention that Britian and France violated the nonproliferation treaty. One might even want to reference that debate better.  But the second mention of Britian and France is highly POV!!  And it definitely didn't need its own paragraph.  I cleaned it up, leaving all content intact.  Nyarlathotep 18:57, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

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please replace the image of the IAEA flag by Image:Flag of IAEA.svg so that the other one can be deleted in the Commons. -62.214.204.66 15:05, 1 May 2006 (UTC)