Talk:Ukrainian tow boat 'Chelyabinsk' collides with bridge at Baja, Hungary

Hungarian sources

 * TV2 coverage
 * @0:15 - [Newsroom reporter:] "A hajóskapitány feltehetőleg az erős szél miatt vesztette el az irányítást a jármű fölött..."
 * "The captain lost his control over the boat probably because of heavy winds..."
 * @1:05 - "Egy biztonsági őr a parton volt a baleset idején; azonnal hívta a vízirendőröket. Telefonon nyilatkozott a Tényeknek: »kimentem, láttam, hogy gondban van az uszály, utána nekiütközött, végül is hát, ráfújta a szél vagy, utána már ott voltak a vízirendőrök meg a katasztrófavédelem«"
 * "A security guard was at the river bank at the time; he called river police immediately. [He] talked to Tények via phone: »I have stepped out [and] I had seen that the barge is in trouble, after that it collided [with the bridge], or at the end, the wind pushed it [into the bridge], after that the river police and [officers of the disaster] management arrived.«"
 * The source speaks in this manner, barely in whole sentences.
 * @1:20 - "Egy szakértő szerint a hajó rosszul vette be a Duna kanyarulatát, ezért ütközött a hídnak: »túlságosan a bajai oldal felé engedte el a tolatmány magát, és későn kezdett kapaszkodni a jobb part irányába«"
 * ''"According to one expert, the boat did not take the bend of the Danube well, that's why it collided with the bridge: »the assembly went too far towards the left bank, and started to correct towards the right bank belatedly«"
 * the caption identifies the interviewee as Gyula Szabó, nautical expert
 * bajai oldal - Baja is the town east of the river, hence it is on the left bank
 * @1:50 - [Reporter:] "A balesetben senki sem sérült meg, a hídon sem keletkezett jelentős kár, a vonat és az autóforgalom nem szünetelt."
 * "Noone was harmed during the incident, the bridge did not suffer significant damage [and] the rail and road traffic [on it] did not halt"


 * RTL Klub coverage
 * @0:10 - "Az ukrán gabonaszállító Szerbia felé tartott a Dunán"
 * "The Ukrainian grain barge went towards Serbia on the Danube"
 * @0:30 - "A Duna közepén jelenleg több uszály is rakodásra vár. Ezek közül tegnap többen is a szétszakadt hajó segítségére siettek, melléúsztak, majd segítettek lehorgonyozni, végül egy tolóhajóval gyűjtötték össze az elszabadult részeket"
 * "Several barges queue for loading on the Danube. Several of them rushed to help the torn caravan, went near [the broke away barges], helped them anchor, then a towboat collected them together."
 * @1:00 - "»Kb. 200 méteres karaván, 33 méter a szélessége, és kb. 10 000 tonna az ő tömege, így megrakottan. Ez egy hatalmas nagy méret és egy hatalmas nagy súly ahhoz képest, hogy a bajai hídnak az átlag hajózó szélessége csupán 60 méter.« [...] Azt is mondta, hogy a pontos manővert csaknem három kilométerrel korábban megtervezik - ha baj van, nincs mit tenni."
 * "»[This was] a caravan of about 200 meters in length [and] 33 meters in width with a mass, together with its cargo, of about 10 000 metric tons. Keeping in mind that the navigable passage [under] the Baja bridge averages at only 60 metres, this is very large and very bulky.« [...] He also said that this manoeuvre has to be planned for 3 kilometres ahead, and, if anything goes wrong, there is no room for correction."
 * the caption identifies the interviewee as Dávid Pethő, helmsman (not of Chelyabinsk!)
 * @1:35 - "A hídpillérnek nem esett baja, és az ukrán hajó még tegnap továbbmehetett. A rendőrök a kapitányt megszondáztatták: nem volt ittas. A Rendőrség az RTL Híradóval azt közölte [... hogy], helyszíni szemlét tartott, és megállapította, hogy senki sem sérült meg, nem történt környezetszennyezés, és az uszály sem kapott léket"
 * "The pillar was not damaged and the Ukrainian boat could continue its passage yesterday. The captain underwent a breathalyser test by the police: he was not drunk. The police said to our channel [... that] they conducted an on-the-spot inspection, and concluded that noone was harmed, no environmental damage ensued and the barge hull was not penetrated."


 * Telex article
 * "Elszabadult hat uszály Bajánál, miután hídpillérnek ütköztek, és leszakadtak az azokat toló ukrán Cseljabinszk nevű hajóról még hétfőn."
 * "Back in Monday, six barges broke free at Baja, after they have collided with a bridge pillar, and got separated from their towboat, the Ukrainian Chelyabinsk."
 * "A Duna Vizirendészeti Rendőrkapitányság víziközlekedési szabályok megsértése miatt szabálysértési eljárást fog lefolytatni."
 * "The police will start an administrative offense procedure because of the breach of waterway traffic protocol"
 * "Duna Vizirendészeti Rendőrkapitányság" is a department of the river police in charge of the Danube

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Ukrainian source
Used only for the name of the boat and her company.

Picture sources
The Lower Danube Valley Water Authority operates a webcam which recorded the event.
 * 1) 12:53:00
 * 2) 12:53:30
 * 3) 12:54:00
 * 4) 12:54:30
 * 5) 12:55:00
 * 6) 12:55:30
 * 7) 12:56:00
 * 8) 12:56:30
 * 9) 12:57:00
 * 10) 12:57:30

Hope this helps. - Xbspiro (talk) 10:33, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Image
in my opinion, the current thumbnail does not make it clear what I am looking at. Do you think a time-lapse like GIF (link) would better help the audience understand it? We could use that instead, if you think it is better. Thoughts? (Make using images from 12:36:30 to 13:59:30) •–• 13:37, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, I think it's fine. It illustrates the situation well (there is a bridge, and a boat inside it. Wait, that's not good) and it's been captioned correctly. --Dylan Smithson (talk) 13:39, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, I can't see where the tow boat is, in the photo, and that is why, the comment. •–• 13:45, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. Sorry. --Dylan Smithson (talk) 13:46, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Would fair use still apply to that many images? - Xbspiro (talk) 14:21, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

FU doctrine does not take into account how many stills were used -- there is commentary about it, which means it is still under FU. •–• 14:25, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Then I would prefer the GIF myself. Could you upload it in place of the current still or would that disqualify you as a potential reviewer? - Xbspiro (talk) 14:37, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I think this is on the grey area -- and I would have to ask either or  to sight that edit. •–•  14:44, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Sighted. Gryllida (talk) 20:24, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

It might be an error on my end, but the GIF's colors (when viewed as a thumb) seem to be rather distorted. - Xbspiro (talk) 16:53, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Help with review
can you please help me with the following?


 * 1) What is the meaning of "Its downstream route crossed the rail-road bridge at Baja over the Danube at marker 1480."?  And how do I verify it?
 * 2) "his manoeuvre has to be planned for three kilometres ahead, and, if anything goes wrong, there is no room for correction, he added."  Is it paraphrased?  Or is it quoted?
 * 3) How do I verify "The Danube is an international waterway, and together with rivers Main and Rhine and the Rhine–Main–Danube Canal, it connects the Black Sea with the North Sea."? •–•  14:43, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Its downstream route crossed the rail-road bridge at Baja over the Danube at marker 1480
There are several things compouneded here.
 * 1) "Its downstream route" - the ship traveled downstream; the RTL footage mentions that the ship was going towards Serbia, and the Danube flows from Hungary towards Croatia/Serbia.
 * 2) "rail-road bridge" - TV2 coverage: "the rail and road traffic [on it] did not halt". The bridge is a river crossing for rail line 154 and main road 55
 * 3) "over the Danube" - might not be the best choice; referring to the bridge which was built overarching the river (i.e. connecting its two banks)
 * I have borrowed this expression from Glosbe's corpus


 * 1) the river mile system marks places in kilometres from the final confluence of a flowing water body upstream.
 * "at 1480" is inteded to mean: "1480 kilometers upstream from the final confluence of the Danube". That marks the place of the bridge and the event. Can be replaced with a place name (Baja) - Xbspiro (talk) 15:01, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Review of revision 4611110 [Passed]

 * Thank you for the review - I have expected it to be much more bumpier because of the language barrier. I won't readd the last sentence now: it seems that countries themselves designate waterbodies as "international waterway" with government decrees, and I could not find a source which would have gathered them together. - Xbspiro (talk) 16:48, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You are welcome, Xbspiro. There were times when I had to translate and transliterate sources in English, so I am not entirely new to this.  :) •–•  17:04, 17 March 2021 (UTC)