Talk:United States: State of Hawaii criticized by head of Federal Communications Commission over incoming missile alert mistake

Image credit for the screenshot
I know that Commons lists Apple as a source for this image; but it seems dubious to give Apple credit for a screenshot taken off of one of their phones. It makes it look like they are somehow responsible for the message. If I made a screenshot with my computer, I would not credit the image to the maker of my computer. I don't know if it is right to credit The New York Times, either. Since the image is PD-Ineligible, we are not obligated to credit/attribute anybody, which is why I didn't do so. --SVTCobra 16:10, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Did you read above before reverting? --SVTCobra 16:22, 16 January 2018 (UTC)


 * No, our edits passed like ships in the night.
 * Hm. Well, maybe; I see the point you're making.  My initial reaction (per edit summary) was, always give 'em more credit than they deserve.  --Pi zero (talk) 16:24, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * If you take a screenshot of, let’s say Libre Office Writer on a Windows system, credit goes to Libre Office and not to Microsoft. Similarly, in this case it goes to iOS, but since iOS is Apple's software, in turn it goes to them. Just like how Pixar's Academy Awards are counted for Disney. 223.237.217.109 (talk) 18:57, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but that's doesn't work here, does it? This was a screenshot of a text message on an Apple system, so credit goes to the text message (if I follow you). Also, the implication of what you are saying, is that Apple owns everything that passes across the screen of their phones, which is patently false. --SVTCobra 22:18, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

I have changed the image credit to read: "via The New York Times". This is accurate (yet, imo, unnecessary) and does not suggest that they wrote the message. I do not know how NYT got the screenshot. Maybe they have a reporter in Hawaii, maybe a reader sent it to them via Twitter. All we know is it was first published by NYT and uploaded to Commons as PD-Ineligible and reportedly off an iPhone, but without EXIF data we don't know that. If reverted, I shan't fight it no more. --SVTCobra 23:11, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Article name
Does the article name have to be so long? Why not:
 * Hawaii criticized by Federal Communications Commission over incoming missile alert mistake

or even a snappier:
 * Hawaii criticized for incoming missile alert mistake

I don’t really see the value of such a long title. Green Giant (talk) 23:16, 16 January 2018 (UTC)


 * There has been a lot of emphasis on identifying the country in the title as of late. But, yes, it could be shortened and possibly should per WN:Headline. But I don't see major harm.--SVTCobra 23:37, 16 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Although we generally avoid post-publish renames unless there's an actual mistake, in this case if it hadn't already been published (and if I thought of it, as it's really easy to forget to double-check the headline just before publishing), I think I'd at least drop the first four words. Headlines should give the reader enough, but they can't contain everything; one has to strike a balance.  (I bungled the airborne car thing by not adding "California", then overcompensated with "California, US".  Go figure.)  --Pi zero (talk) 01:18, 17 January 2018 (UTC)