Thread:Comments:Israel Defense Forces discover tunnel in child's bedroom in Rafah/Unmasking the Truth Behind IDF Reports – The World Must Recognize the Brutal Reality/reply (7)


 * "Israel does something Hamas has never done. Only target the terrorists."* - Can you provide evidence that Hamas members raped a wife and killed a child? These are serious allegations and require substantiated proof. Furthermore, reports and evidence show that Israeli airstrikes have resulted in numerous civilian casualties, suggesting a less discriminative approach than claimed.


 * "Hamas doesn't report if a hostage dies and Israel generally doesn't publicly release where the dead hostages they find were found."* - The lack of public reporting doesn’t necessarily imply accuracy or transparency. Independent investigations and reports from international organizations should be considered for a more comprehensive understanding.


 * "Hamas is targeting Hamas run hospitals because they believe that Hamas is in the hospital. That is ludicrous. Hamas isn't (usually) targeting itself."* - This statement is confusing. If hospitals are being targeted due to suspected militant presence, it still results in significant civilian harm and infrastructure destruction, which is unacceptable.


 * "Palestine has existed long before 1932" - Under what leader? What form of government? If this was really a state back then you would be able to answer that."* - Palestine existed as a geographical and cultural entity long before modern state definitions. Historical records show Palestinian passports and governance in various forms, even if not fitting the modern concept of a state.


 * "Actually, I disagree but I think a reasonable case could be made. Fine. Who was before Ahmad Shukeiri in 1964 then?"* - Leadership in the region has varied historically, and the concept of nation-states is relatively modern. Palestinian identity and presence have been longstanding.


 * "Even if this were true, these civilians were just trying to live their life. And what about a 9 month old who doesn't know what war or land is, who was brutally beheaded. Did he deserve it too? How about a 2 year tortured by Hamas in a tunnel?"* - Tragic loss of innocent lives is unacceptable and should be condemned. However, these incidents should not justify collective punishment or the ongoing occupation and displacement of Palestinians.


 * "Some are, but I agree not enough."* - The assertion that Gazans are defending themselves from Hamas is not widely supported. Many see Hamas as their resistance against Israeli occupation, despite criticisms of their governance and tactics.


 * "Hamas broke through Israel's door, raped his wife, murdered 1 of his children and took the other hostage to be tortured, and then when Israel fought back they were called the terrorists."* - Can you provide clear evidence for these specific claims? The broader historical context involves decades of displacement, occupation, and systemic oppression faced by Palestinians, which fuels resistance.


 * "The best way to defend yourself from aggression is to not attack others and provoke aggression in response."* - This perspective ignores the context of occupation and systemic violence faced by Palestinians, contributing to the cycle of resistance and retaliation.


 * "If so, every Gazan would be dead. Considering than even according to Hamas only 1.5% of the population has died, this evidently false."* - The water situation in Gaza is dire, with severe restrictions leading to humanitarian crises. The statistics cited do not reflect the chronic hardships and suffering due to the blockade.


 * "No one needs 100 liters per day."* - The 100 liters per day standard covers all daily needs, including drinking, cooking, and sanitation. The restricted access often falls short, exacerbating the humanitarian situation.


 * "Yeah, unfortunately a lot of the original aid is intercepted by Hamas rather than given to the Gazan people."* - While aid distribution issues exist, the overall blockade and restrictions by Israel significantly contribute to the shortages and suffering in Gaza, and you have made me see Hamas bigger than USA military because of their capability of controlling everything


 * "Unless Hamas had taken over the entire neighborhood and no one was there but Hamas."* - This hypothetical doesn’t reflect the reality in Gaza, where densely populated civilian areas are often targeted, leading to high casualties and destruction.


 * "Yes. Gaza is much more densely populated than some kibbutz near Gaza. Also, Hamas was more focused on killing civilians than using them as human shields. Also, a 1 hour long massacre is different than an 8 month long fight against terrorism."* - The comparison highlights the disproportionate response and the scale of civilian casualties resulting from Israeli actions.


 * "Hamas is attacking Israel because they're Jewish and they think Muslims should own the entire Middle East. Is that not attacking others based on ideology?"* - Hamas’s primary stated goal is to free their land, which they believe was unjustly given away by the UN, USA, and UK after World War II. The broader conflict is about land, rights, and self-determination, not purely religious ideology.


 * "Justice has already been had. You know that as long as Israel's existed 70% of the land has gone to a Palestinian state: Jordan."* - This statement misrepresents the situation. Jordan is a separate nation, and Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza still live under occupation or blockade, seeking their own state. Why was Palestine chosen to bear the burden of resettling refugees after World War II? If a part of Germany had been allocated, the dynamics could have been different.


 * "Notice the pattern with all of these. These were places that a cowardly government didn't finish the job in and withdrew. If Israel actually keeps fighting rather than running away, it will be fine."* - This approach ignores the human cost and long-term instability from prolonged conflict and occupation. Sustainable peace requires addressing root causes and injustices.


 * "Actually, not a majority. And they only have them because around 50% of the country are refugees from European antisemitism."* - While the diverse origins of Israeli citizens are acknowledged, the existence of dual nationality doesn’t negate Palestinians' rights to their land and self-determination. How can refugees claim the land for themselves when the Palestinian people offered refuge and are now facing land theft?

**We Don't run my friend.**