User:DragonFire1024/archiveMarch-April07

Essjay photo
I don't see the fact that an article is a few days old as sufficient reason to worry about privacy and harassement concerns. Furthermore, my impression was that changes of articles can often occur for many days (it has only been three on that article). JoshuaZ 22:54, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Deletion
Hi, don't know if you are too busy with your article (very good article) but i am going to add many broken redirect pages to the speedy delete catergory. However they do not show up on the Admin board as the template will not include due to the redirect over ride. Would you like me to keep adding the templates for you to see the pages in the speedy delete category, leave you to find the pages on broken redirects page or leave you alone completely and annoy another admin?? Cheers--MarkieTalk 20:20, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I have never delt with redirects before as usually someone else gets to em before I do...so I am not able to assit in that area. DragonFire1024 20:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[[Image:JohnInman.jpg]]
Thanks for uploading Image:JohnInman.jpg. I deleted it because it is from the BBC, a competing news source. Wikipedia usually crosses the rules on images, so I would be careful about uploading images from Wikipedia. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  17:21, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * A screenshot is a screen shot regardless of what news source it comes from and the license clearly states that. DragonFire1024 17:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Opps. I forgot that it was a screenshot. You can re-upload it if you want. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)   (sign here!)  17:28, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I am looking into it first...trying to see what the BBC uses to copyright their images...maybe you can help? here is the link i am referinmg to:  DragonFire1024 17:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * bbc retains all copyright on their images. Screenshot doesn't count unless the article is directly about the bbc. (example when cnn screwed up US senator Obama with Osama bin laden). Bawolff ☺☻ 00:51, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * note: the fair use tags (publicity screenshot logo etc) are reasons that we can ignore others copyrights. The reason it doesn't work with bbc, is we're in direct competition with them so ignoring their copyrights is unfair. (note this explanation is not technically accurate, don't rely on it for important info). Since wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a news source they have different rules then us. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * oh wait I lie, assuming that image was under the license you linked, we may be able to use it. Its similiar to cc-by-nc-sa plus specific restrictions on use (not for political or defamotory purposes). This works with but is a very not prefered license. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

improper usernames
What's wrong with Oooooooooooo? Bawolff ☺☻ 23:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The name says it all. I guess I could unblock but IMO the name will be used for nothing but vandalism. DragonFire1024 23:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the welcome back. I have been fairly busy since I've gone back to study that I havent had much time for this place. It's been a real shame as I love Wikinews and the community - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 02:11, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Mainpage
Hey - I noticed you are editing the Royal Navy capture article. It says on the main page that the sailors and marines were "later released" but I don't believe this is the case. As an admin, could you change this? Cheers. 80.175.130.133 19:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

British sailors detained by Iran to be tried for "espionage"
Your writing has become 'scary' (oops, typo, meant 'very') good. Personally, I like the ' instead of the " for use in headlines. This was debated in the WN guidelines to no avail... they are afterall only guidelines. Good work at sticking to wikinews conventions of writing a new story as developments occur. Best -Edbrown05 07:29, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

deletion of Talk:Newfoundland_government_launches_seal_hunt_website/Comments
why? Bawolff ☺☻ 05:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well its not linked to anything? Talk page of non extant article? DragonFire1024 05:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Welcome Back
Hey, and thanks! It's good to get back involved in a community I loved so much before - hopefully I can get back into the old habits of things! --Skenmy(t•c•w•i) 09:01, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Spam?
Why did you delete the article i was working on? which part came under spam? --Zakksez 14:53, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Which one ? this one? --Zakksez 15:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Vandal block
(Block log); 21:30. . FellowWikiNews (Talk | contribs | block) (blocked "User:Tooj117" with an expiry time of indefinite anononly,nocreate: Vandal)

(Block log); 21:30. . FellowWikiNews (Talk | contribs | block) (unblocked User:Tooj117: unblock to reblock)

(Block log); 21:29. . DragonFire1024 (Talk | contribs | block) (blocked "User:Tooj117" with an expiry time of indefinite anononly,nocreate: sock, vandal)

Whoops! I was actually trying to block him indef but you did it at the same time I unblocked him to reblock him. Great minds think alike! — Fellow Wiki  Newsie   (sign here!)  21:33, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: UK prepared to go 'into different phase' if sailors and marines not released by Iran within days
Hello DragonFire1024. I just wanted to compliment you on an excellent article. Jcart1534 22:29, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

image madness
You previously uploaded a bunch of excellent OR images. Unfortunately they are unacceptably unfree according to the new image policy of the foundation. If the way things are currently going continue, they will be deleted in abut a year. Please See Image use policy/New wikimedia policy action plan to discuss this. Bawolff ☺☻ 03:15, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * While i'm on the subject of images, why is Image:Img200703201174429925-2.jpg pd?
 * Excuse me for interjecting here. Although I have not seen much of your OR images, if it is like Image:DowHighSchool82.jpg, then I think you are fine. You may have to tag them with a Share-alike license like Creative Commons Attribution Share-alike version 2.5 also called CC BY-SA. --SVTCobra 00:46, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I retract this comment as I first thought this was a photo you had taken yourself. I have since noticed you lifted it off the school's website. When Bawolff said OR, I assumed the images were original too. --SVTCobra 01:32, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

comments
I changed a couple things with it (try clicking article, or discussion). Anyways, just want to double check, it still works for you? (as I only have one browser avalible to test with) Bawolff ☺☻ 05:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Redirects to non-existant pages
Do we delete these? DragonFire1024 10:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * My understanding of it is that "redirects are cheap" so IMO no, but you may also like to see here for more info.--Mark Talk 10:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Iran stories
I think you should probably have the two stories as the lead using the Lead2 or whatever it is template. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeha i was planning on it but i gotta get this new one updated :) DragonFire1024 11:44, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Please stop!
Please don't try and raise a rabble over the copyright issue. I think Doldrums has the right idea by reworking the page into a FAQ. Please read all of Kat Walsh's message to the mailing list, and the rationale behind the policy that comes from Eloquence.

The wikinews community is a small minority among the Wikimedia family. I'm annoyed that we'll probably lose a few articles because of image deletions. However, I'm not going nuts over it. If your images have to be deleted I'll arrange you some hosting space and you can mirror the entire articles, complete with pictures. I'm sure the board doesn't want to destroy any works, and you may have a point that this is commons imposing their world-view on the rest of the projects via the back door.

Without wikinews we'd all be forced to work on Indymedia, or similar. I've looked at that and wouldn't, it isn't the same as a wiki. So the indulgent parent (the foundation board) has said we can't use a number of licenses that they think are too restrictive. Can you upload elsewhere (eg flickr) under a license that suits and then "fair use" them over here? I don't know the answer to that, but it may be the loophole to keep what you've done. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I use Flickr...for images I do not use in WN articles or that I don't care if they change them or not. Who issue is someone changing them. Mirrioring? Maybe...but then why bother? This is where I want my content. DragonFire1024 10:26, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

DEBKAfile
I am working on the same subject, after having read your article. Grondin has already written, yesterday night on FR, another article but only about the Russian sources. See: fr:Moyen-Orient : vers une intervention militaire en Iran ?. But I did not find immediatly the direct link to DEBKAfile... Hégésippe &#124; ±Θ± 11:32, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

"Forced" Wikibreak
Please see my userpage for details.  Thunderhead  ►  08:09, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you...
...for relicensing your pictures. That's really great. --+Deprifry+ 11:10, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll second that, thanks! --Brian McNeil / talk 11:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I likewise thank you for doing this. -- IlyaHaykinson 11:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Request for EDP
Please see: User:DragonFire1024/Images to request for EDP. DragonFire1024 11:51, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikinews blog
I see you've done another report on the Buffalo hotel... would you like access to the Wikinews blog? It's a great way of promoting the great original reporting that goes on here, to the rest of the Wikimedia world and beyond. -- Zanimum 15:08, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Virginia law bans mobile phone use by teen drivers
Could you please add as related to this story the New York (some city) story you wrote about the ban of head phone use while being a pedestran on the street. I can't find it. Thanks much if you could. -Edbrown05 04:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I did not write it but I do remember it. DragonFire1024 04:21, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

RE: New policy
Hey, I am still very interested in what goes on about the place, I just dont seem to have the time I used to to devote on this. It does suck, thanks for the heads up though - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 21:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks mate, I miss everyone too :), What I am curious about is whether or not any other project was consulted on this - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 07:41, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I can understand the basis of the policy, but feel there are issues with respects to WN. The retroactive aspect causes problems as does the "minimal use of EDP" - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 07:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It reads to me like the EDP is being discouraged though :S - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 08:03, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree totally, more or less if EDP is to be discouraged we might as well go that step further and disable uploads - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 08:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * If you give permission for them to be used on Wikinews and only Wikinews then I feel it should be allowed under our EDP. Even though NC and ND are not "free", they are better than using images which are completely non-free - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 08:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Your open letter looks good and I can understand your frustration at your own images, the problem is we all have different opinions of "free", hell my own wiki is under a CC BY-NC-SA licence - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 08:31, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * That is exactly right - Cartman02au <SMALL>(Talk)(AU Portal)</SMALL> 08:39, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Pardon by Ahmadinejad
I maintain that he did use the word "pardon" and that many sources have that. I am unfortunately not qualified to do my own translation from Farsi, but here's what the BBC has him saying (emphasis mine):

"On the occasion of the birth anniversary of the great prophet of Islam, and on the occasion of Easter and Passover, I would like to announce that the great nation of Iran, while it is entitled to put the British military personnel on trial, has pardoned these 15 sailors and gives their release to the people of Britain as a gift."

BTW, Jatkins and I do not have an open dispute on this. --SVTCobra 21:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * "Pardon" does NOT imply guilt. In the US, presidential pardon's have been given to people who were never charged with a crime. It is usually because it was expected that they would be charged soon. Iran has in fact made statements to the effect that they were going to charge the Brits with espionage. So, Ahmadinejad has pardoned them, so they won't have to face charges. --SVTCobra 10:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

answer
If it was for you I wouldent edit here at all, maby som of the 'old editors' thought the same. Food for thought? international 09:44, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * And now when i see how you by putting in a powtag and continue to dont read what Doldrum write im just not sure if you are a 'agent provocatur' trying to mess things up or just to stupid to edit here. And your agreeing with BrianNZ in some of his 'opinions' make you a sounds like W. and obviously have to bring the shit in here.

Wikinews have no way of handle ppl like you, loudvoiced stupids. Happy gravedigging with your friends. Here and elswere.

In easy understanding american language: Fuck you!

international 11:18, 5 April 2007 (UTC) is out of here.


 * An Opinion is: A view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter, A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof and it's A judgement of a person or thing.


 * that applies to you as well sir.


 * Please don't use american language like that on wikinews, and yes your right, that is American, as only Americans can and do use words like that; that cause offence, (in fact those words are well known only because of American movies!)


 * This is ridiculous, both the extremes gone to by you and International. I would like you to think carefully about how you approach disputes on the Wiki to avoid an incident like this in the future.  I'm sure I'm not the first person to tell you you're hotheaded, you're an admin and you shouldn't be up against 3RR limits because of your opinion on a story unless you're dealing with one unreasonable contributor.
 * In this case you were opposing several contributors, I really do urge you to go and read the link Doldrums provided, "scare quotes" is a reference from an editors/copy-editor's handbook, and I'm sorely tempted to go buy the book. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:59, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Mass welcomes
Are a bad idea.

Among those you put the hello template on I spot at least one troll who was blocked. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:03, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I am only adding the messages to the ones i know are not vandals or trolls. The others I just add because the names are not immediately recognized as vandals. Besides. We used to welcome every new user. DragonFire1024 21:06, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

NHL Hockey
Hey bud! you posted a score on my talk page, wasnt sure what it was for! lol, anyways, just lemme know :P —Dark_Squall 04:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, haha *reads watercooler* that makes sense mate, thanks for the info. thats funny :P —Dark_Squall 04:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

writing up the EDP
we can get down to defining it, after all the "it's those darn <ur favourite group of evil-doers> who're behind this" mob-forming is over.

my view of what constitutes minimal - image not by Wiki contributor, has no similar free alternative, adds value to story (eg. a stock portrait of a celebrity adds little value to a story). till now there's been little or no discussion about what modifications, if any, we shld make to our WN:EDP (though User:Uncle G has gone ahead and made some changes) so i don't know what suppport my view has among other contributors. –Doldrums(talk) 07:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Protecting user pages
You don't need to protect vandals user pages. They can only edit their talk pages. — Fellow Wiki  Newsie  15:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: ? Suicide
Dragonfire - if you are online now and available on Gizmo, I am about to call you to update you on what the heck has happened. Please be ready! Thor Malmjursson 04:25, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Errmmm
Howdy, I saw your message on Danny's page on Wikipedia. He resigned from the board, any reason why you're expecting to get an official response from him? He doesn't work for the foundation anymore. If you didn't realize this, you might want to update your message (which, btw, was pretty transparently manipulative) - (Chairboy on Wikipedia)
 * If you re-read the message I left on Danny's page...I am interested in getting this before the media does. If the authorities are involved they almost surely will get this story, and assuming it to be true, if the kid turns up dead, then they will use that to their advantage to try, in whatever way possible to discredit WP...i want to prevent that, to show that an effort was made and that the steps were taken to ensure his safety. DragonFire1024 05:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * WP:BEANS is the applicable text here. The media will do whatever they want, and if you check the thread on WP:AN/I, you'll see that there's been plenty of work on this already. - Chairboy
 * So what are you saying? I am not following you...sorry?? Are you saying forget about it? DragonFire1024 05:39, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, first and formost, I'm saying that it's a fools errand to try and get an official Wikimedia Foundation response from Danny because he resigned from there last week. He no longer works there.  He's pining for the Fjords of Wikimedia.  He is an EX-foundationeer!  So it doesn't make any sense.  Past that, please take a moment to read the WP:BEANS essay. - (Chairboy)
 * I did read it...thats where I am lost. The media will do what they want, but at least i am trying to get the real story before they screw it up. DragonFire1024 05:48, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The media will present events like they see it anyway. There are two things going wrong here: 1) as Chairboy said, Danny can't and won't speak for the Foundation, so asking him for a 'statement' is bound to lead to confusion and 2) you're presenting this like you'll be writing the story regardless of the possible outcome. If this guy kills himself, you'd likely be giving the media more information than they'd have been able to collect for themselves - which is not necessarily a good thing. If he doesn't (which at this point is still the most likely outcome), you're putting loads of information about him in a news article: how's that going to affect the rest of his life? If you really want to discuss the possibility of Wikinews playing a role in this, contact the Foundation directly and let them decide. --Joanne (JoanneB on Wikipedia) 10:26, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The WP:AN/I page explains this adequately and shows that the community on Wikipedia reacted appropriately. DF, all your questions are answered there once you find the right section. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:04, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi, as for what happened last night, I think that out of respect for the person, the least said about it the best. Danny 14:48, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Holy cow that was quick!
I appreciate your welcome message. I actually signed up to correct a spelling mistake on an uneditable page (I can't find it now), and I misunderstood to think that once I log in, I could change this. I do my best to fix little mistakes like that on Wikipedia (my knowledge is only a subset of wikipedia, so I basically never have something to contribute other than fixing mistakes and vandalism), but I was a bit disappointed that (yet I can see why) I couldn't change this. Anyway, hopefully I can contribute one day, if I know about a newsworthy thing that isn't here yet. Thanks again for the speedy welcoming, even before I did anything :) --Schrodingerskitty 16:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Your voicemail on Gizmo to Tmalmjursson
Hi Dragonfire. I looked back through the edit history and can indeed find comments which were removed, just as an example, this one. Try using the diffs in the edit history and select the previous comment as the one you wish to review against. That might work if you are trying to find what was taken out. Cheers. Thor Malmjursson 15:13, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * DF, the discussion goes backwards from the above diff. Looks like it has just been cleared out the same as we keep WN:ALERT tidy. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:41, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Your request
I've responded on the talk page of your subpage. Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 20:42, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Trust me, I'm not wrong. :-) Projects can create an EDP, such as the fair use policy, because sometimes it is impossible to get images under a free license. But here clearly it was possible to get them. You could have chosen to place them under a free license. If you choose not to, I'll be sorry to see it, but in no way does this authorize Wikimedians to license their own images under a non-free license, because they could have chosen otherwise. It was possible for a contributor to create something free, because a contributor took the picture. Only for materials that are necessary to have and where it is not reasonably possible to use something free should any non-free media be used. Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 21:18, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey DragonFire1024,

I saw you commented on he idea of having wikinews video. I have created a really good opener (the audio is from sky news UK/Australia)

I spent heaps of time on the graphics so, drop me a line on my talk page and tell me what you think.

The video is located at http://www.symode09.spaces.live.com/

thanx

--Symode09 07:22, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Kool, thanks for that!

Take a look at the discusison on the water coller

--Symode09 07:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Opening
With the opening, is there anything you think I should add to improve the opening? What do you think i should include in the news graphics which are used?

I just had a good idea. Instead of having news updates or daily news, what if we worked on something similar to 60 minutes?

Which country are you in? I assume you are in the US (I'm in Australia)

--Symode09 08:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey Dragon Fire,

With your contact info on your user page, you should replace the "@" symbol with "at".

I did what you are doing and a few weeks after I did it, I got heaps of spam, some relating to wikipedia (where I contribute the most)

kk, kool. I'm working on the graphics and will hopefully be done in 30-45 minutes. If you can, try to stay on - i'll contact you

--Symode09 08:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

ih, by the way, what should we do for a theme song. I will try to get the rights for what I have done (it may cost some money - would wikimedia reimberse it?) but, my feeling is, we won;t get the rights. Should we try and commision / get someone to create a new version (possibly identical to the current one but, "legally" different?

--Symode09 08:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I can stay on I think...I will try...There is a wikinews theme song somewhere...BrianNewZealand says....not sure where. DragonFire1024 08:16, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm a student so, I can go and see if womeone at school can put something together - we have quite a few compluting labs with acid installed so, heaps o people I know could compose something. I can't be bothered doing it myself - mabye if we play the current theme song backwards? :P

--Symode09 08:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * That might work :) Try it :) DragonFire1024 08:25, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

YAY! You made someone happier *crams gillet with chocolate*
Thanks for finding that site!!! It is just what I was looking for!!!!!

I'll contact them and see what I can get done. Thanks for finding the site!

--Symode09 08:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

The world through 4:3 or 16:9 eyes?
should it be in widescreen? I far prefer widescreen. Are there any objections?

--Symode09 08:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

One last question, with the graphics (ticker clock etc), would you like them with corners and square (more traditional) or curved and round (my preference but, some people don't like these types of graphics)?

--Symode09 09:09, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Video Wikinews
Hey DragonFire,

I see you are interested in the video wikinews. You might want to "enlist" with us.

thanx :P

—Symode09 14:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Where to
Where do we go from here with the wikinews?

Thet image you greated is great! I'm looking for footage like that but the only place I can get it costs money :(

reply here

--Symode09 07:41, 10 April 2007 (UTC)