User talk:Charis

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--Pi zero (talk) 21:56, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi
As a compact overview of en.wn, I usually recommend Pillars of writing. Then, there's a good tutorial on writing a first article here at Writing an article. (Other pages of some interest include For Wikipedians and Article wizard.) Cheers. --Pi zero (talk) 22:06, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikinews, Charis.
 * Thank you for writing about Does South Korea have the best management of the corona crisis in the world?. This seems like an ongoing process rather than a specific event. This makes it difficult to present. However, Wikinews has original reporting, a venue for obtaining exclusive important and relevant information which is missing in other sources. Would you like to interview someone from South Korea about their management of the virus? If so, whom would you choose and what questions would you like to ask? I'd be willing to forward your questions to them.
 * Thank you. Gryllida (talk) 01:46, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Gryllida, Focus and neutrality was missed
 * 1. I made an error to take the first sentence of the body as Header of the article instead of the focus event which is: "South Korea has the corona eruption under control" this is new as it is the outcome of a longer observation. This is followed by a detailed description what methods and measures they use to get this result.
 * 2nd event: also in Germany now a tracking app is in discussion - I will highlight this as focussed topic.
 * Is there a tracking app also in USA in discussion? If yes, please give me an article for zitate, then I can also integrate this.
 * In UK it's in discussion as well (https://www.zdnet.com/article/coronavirus-tracking-mobile-apps-get-green-light-from-data-watchdog/)
 * What do you think about this way? :-) Charis 07:34, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * No specific event still. It should have a date when it occurred. Is it the "number of daily cases started to drop" or "number of daily cases reached zero"? If yes, precisely when did it occur? Gryllida (talk) 17:54, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Charis, what is the event here? Please see my last question above. Do you live in South Korea or outside of the country? Thanks. Gryllida (talk) 19:28, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Gryllida, I live in Germany, I do incident management and statistics at an international data centre. The event is that the first country in the world is able to recover from an corona eruption sustainable over a certain time - it's like a recovering patient, you cannot say, the event is one, two, tree days where the illness decreases but the point where you say yes, he's really stabile. The significance of the success and it's relation to a unique combination of methods in the world of democratic countries I miss complete in the information spread in newspapers as far as their articles can be searched by google. The second event is that now - at a very late state compared to the speed of the epidemic - the other countries like Germany start to discuss similar methods and plan to introduce them. Charis 20:06, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! How is the situation in Germany?
 * With South Korea -- how would you quantify this? What criteria do you use to call it stable? Perhaps this can be used to make the story easier to present.
 * Regards, --Gryllida (talk) 21:01, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * hank's for your question, Germany shows very low traffic, people who ever is able to is doing home office (like) me and we have same number of infects like other democracies only more tests and hospital beds available therefore a death rate far below average…. Stability is, if even a stress from outside a system can handle and goes back to a stabile low rate. There were cluster of travellers stressing South Korea, therefore some raises of 125-150 but went back to below 100. Charis 21:49, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I suppose the event is "South Korea achieves the first month with less than N daily new cases on average", where N is around 100. Is it correct? (I was looking at .) Did the country make any announcements about this? Announcements can be a good point for focus. --Gryllida (talk) 22:23, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the rename. Please check this page for information about article layout:
 * inverted pyramid
 * Please let me know if there was any recent announcements of success by the South Korean officials. Thank you! Gryllida (talk) 21:10, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Tip: "inverted pyramid" means an article can not start with history. (History is background, and it goes to the end.) Gryllida (talk) 22:06, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * To reply please click here . Gryllida (talk) 22:07, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Please let me know if there was any recent announcements of success by the South Korean officials. Thank you! Gryllida (talk) 21:10, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Tip: "inverted pyramid" means an article can not start with history. (History is background, and it goes to the end.) Gryllida (talk) 22:06, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * To reply please click here . Gryllida (talk) 22:07, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * To reply please click here . Gryllida (talk) 22:07, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Question
Hi Gryllida,

I understand the "Inverted pyramid". BUT I'm very german. I always think from the cause to the effect, from the history to the present. I understand the need of whoever reads whatever to get the point of matter at the begin. (In emails I have 3 sentences for situation and action then I write "Background" that only few people read.) So I try to find a way for an article and rearranged to put most newsworthy at the begin and the history more to the end. Does it fit? Any further suggestions of improvement? Big thank for questions and support :-)

Regards the Korean official announcements they are on the Korea COVID-19 portal as press releases with the numbers maybe I should better cite their second Page with better press releases - thought first they are the same. Details see talk

BTW: this question template is new for me - hope I handle it well ;-)

--Charis 23:04, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Have you seen German Wikinews, ? Do they do inverted pyramid? ( reply link ) Regards, --Gryllida (talk) 23:15, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Daily press release with the numbers is OK. Headlines for it can be like: Other possibilities for focus: Thanks, --Gryllida (talk) 23:32, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Number of cases reached N
 * Number of deaths reached M
 * Number of new weekly dropped below L
 * South Korean minister of health reports 'success' fighting with COVID-19 as .
 * South Korea moves from 4th to 14th place in the list of countries sorted by number of cases (I made up the numbers here, but this is just an idea)
 * Anything else similar (that is a valid event for today, but not for yesterday and not for tomorrow)


 * I work for de.wikinews as well, see Südkorea hat den Coronaausbruch unter Kontrolle but the rules of inverted pyramid as well as discrete event I cannot not find in the german help-pages nor I was ever confronted with them. But the newsworthy matter of subject at the begin of the article and the background later is really good for the readers. I hope I could move South Korea achieves over three weeks ... significant into that direction. I will pick up your hints regards the focus on a discrete event, Thank you -- Charis 09:19, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

This is most excellent. Can you please include two independent sources about the event that is in the first paragraph? --Gryllida 14:05, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Ups - I forgot the first I intended - but it's better to have the second in English added as well ;-) -- Charis 14:59, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi do you see any chance to support publishing?
 * It's astonishing, the Frazer group model was published at Oxford University on 17 of March experts-provide-evidence-coronavirus-mobile-app... and Drosten gives nearly every day an interview, picking this up on March 3 -- Charis 17:58, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi
Hello, Charis! I see you have worked hard on your first article. Thank you for putting the efforts! I am almost about to complete five years on Wikinews, and looking back at it, I wish I had put as much effort as you do, for my first article. I hope to see more of your work! •–• 23:29, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

South Korea achieves over three weeks to limit new COVID-19 infects at about 100 cases
Hi. I agree with acagastya (above), it's great to see your effort on this. It appears you've moved past earlier neutrality-related concerns. The central issue I see with the current version of the article is focus. I've written a set of review comments about that, trying my best to explain what's involved. Neutrality, focus... these are among the deepest principles of en.wn, and I hope you'll come out of this experience with quite an understanding of the elements of en.wn writing. :-) --Pi zero (talk) 00:19, 6 April 2020 (UTC)