User talk:DragonFire1024/Archive until February 3, 2007

My RfA
Thanks for your vote on my RfA. I appreciate all votes, however I would like some advice from you on how I can achieve your trust, so that if my RfA should fail, I have a good solid backing to work up from and rerun in the future. If you could leave some suggestions or comments on my talk page, that would be much appreciated. I am not asking you to remove or change your vote at all, rather some tips and any personal experience that you have on how to best achieve what you expect in an admin. Thanks again! --Skenmy(t•c•w•i) 15:10, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Your vote does not discourage me, but rather gives me a good idea of where it is I stand and how members of the community feel I should improve myself and my contributions to Wikinews. Once again, thanks for your vote and for your comments and suggestions - they are truly appreciated. --Skenmy(t•c•w•i) 20:30, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

You got one too.
Looks like you have an impostor on Wikiquote too, Jeffq just blocked it. Emergency Account 23:59, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I am NOT a vandal on there and I just created my page to watch the RC. So Please unblock me. Jason Safoutin 00:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That makes me sad. I don't have an imposter... (Seriously, I'm gonna go make one). Thunderhead (talk) 00:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't have one...it was my account blocked...see if I help them again. Jason Safoutin 00:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, q:User:Thunderhead is mine. Thunderhead (talk) 00:09, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't be an @ss Jason. Massive cross-wiki trolling is going on. It's preventative; I'll unblock you in three days. InvisibleSun 00:10, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, you're gonna just have to wait it out. Especially after some discoveries we made on Wikiquote connecting you to a particular user. InvisibleSun 00:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Buddy, you asked for an Unblock using the same IP (65.78.87.120) that Wazzawazzawaz and MyName use. What else do you want? InvisibleSun 00:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Please bear in mind that this is precisely the kind of confusion that this vandal is trying to foster. Arguing about temporary blocks is essentially feeding this troll. It would be best if we stick to our individual projects until the immediate problem is over. ~ Jeffq 00:25, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

If this continues, I will be asking you both to go to the Wikinews AND Wikiquote Aribition Comittie. I think that you to need to have a nice cup of tea. Thunderhead (talk) 00:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * There is no proof of this act against me nor is there any evidence. I demand that this be looked into right now. It is ridicilous that I am getting treated like this. Jason Safoutin 00:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Proof
You want proof? Here is proof:

1.) You admit to making this edit.   3.) IPA 65.78.87.120 is used by known vandals Wazzawazzawaz and MyName 4.) You are 'somehow connected to Wazzawazzawaz and MyName
 * Anything else? I didin't think so. -InvisibleSun 00:30, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

RE:
First off, we don't have a Checkuser process at Wikiquote. Second, you imply to have made that edit here. If you continue this nonsense you will be permentally barred from editing Wikiquote. Now calm down and deal with the process. --InvisibleSun 00:36, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You know what, just stick to Wikinews, Jason. We don't need a jerk like you at Wikiquote anyhow. InvisibleSun 00:41, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Not a vandal or impersonator
I have been accused, without merit, proof or evidence of being MyName. I requested a check user on myself for ALL wiki projects. I am requesting I be unblocked on Wikiquote for actions that are not backed up by ANY proof. I would like any administrator to please perform the checkuser. Jason Safoutin 00:57, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yet I see you do not want to help in this matter...nor Invisible sun. So whatever. Thanks for nothing. I have half a mind to think you are an imposter as well. Thanks for blocking people with no evidence or proof. I would say thats abuse of Admin powers. Jason Safoutin 00:36, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Jason, I am surprised and disappointed that you are spending so much time and energy worrying about a temporary block on Wikiquote during a massive, cross-project vandalism attack by a person known for creating impersonations of sysops. I am trying to compose a comprehensive request for the Counter-Vandalism Unit to get assistance on this, while helping InvisibleSun to stop a vandal who clearly has a sophisticated, automated system for simultaneously causing multiple projects problems. I don't have time to deal with hurt egos. Block my Wikinews account if it would make you feel better. My only goals at the moment are to (A) stop the current attack, and (B) request assistance in preventing further similar attacks from eating up what little sysop bandwith we have. ~ Jeffq 01:08, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * By the way, none of the above discussion sounds like the InvisibleSun I know from Wikiquote. I think you are falling prey to exactly the problem we are trying to prevent at Wikiquote. Note that was created during the attack. ~ Jeffq 01:13, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Please Stop
Be warned public disclosure if IRC conversations is prohibited. Continued posting will result in a block. 65.78.87.120 03:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * There's a difference between posting the jist of what went on in a public channel and providing verbatim copies of the specific conversation. —     03:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Be warned that IRC conversations in the channel, outside of a private message is NOT violation of privacy. Jason Safoutin 03:34, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Please?
 * Alright. Just Straighten up Neutralizer. Jason Safoutin 03:40, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Why the hell did I get blocked indefinitely??
What a fucking joke it was for me to get blocked as Neutralizer. the admin who did this should be de-sysopped. sheesh, he's a fucking psycho in his panties. --Neutralizer 09:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Neutralizer and I
I have never asked for Neutralizer to be unbanned, nor indicated that I would unblock him myself. Having said that, I do not understand these "you and Neutralizer are forming a top secret alliance" accusations. Yes, the two of us do share some opinions, and we do get along on a personal level. But I am on good terms with many users, including you, that does not necessarily mean that we are "working" for each other. Beyond that, I do not wish to comment on whether or not I would like to have Neutralizer unbanned. Additionally, please remember that MyName has, in the past, impersonated other users in order to harass them, so do not assume that everyone who claims to be Neutralizer is the Neutralizer we all know and love ;-). PVJ(Talk)(Articles I have written) 11:05, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikiquote accounts unblocked
My preliminary review of the October 29-30 Wikiquote vandal attacks has given me some perspective on what happened. I'll try to explain what I saw happening and why I took the actions I did.

Two new Wikiquote usernames I'd never seen before on other projects, Nyarlathotep and DragonFire1024, both created during a spate to "Wazz" vandal username creation, began discussing "massive wiki trolling". While blocking active vandal accounts, I also temporarily blocked these two, because the Wazz attacks usually include similar discussions about the vandalism other Wazz usernames are performing, in order to confuse the sysops.

On Wikinews, new User:Emergency Account then notified you about the block. You then (at 00:02) complained and asked for an unblock on your Wikinews talk page. User:Thunderhead (another username newly created at 00:06 on Wikiquote) irrelevantly chimed in (also at 00:06) with an I-want-an-imposter comment. You then (at 00:07) replied "I don't have one...it was my account blocked...see if I help them again."

While this was going on here, at 00:05 on Wikiquote q:User:65.78.87.120 posted the following text to q:WQ:AN (with edit summary "Uublock me; don't let the vandals get the best of us"):


 * I demand you unblock User:Nyarlathotep and User:DragonFire1024 I'll verify on my Wikinews talk page. --DragonFire1024
 * NOTE: user links converted to Wikiquote user links to allow you to see the results as I saw them

This could have been a legitimate alternative-IP posting by a savvy wiki sysop, but Wazz has also been known to do this sort of thing. With consecutive posts from "NOT a vandal" (WN) to "demanding" an unblock (WQ) to "see if I help them again" (WN), I suspected I had unnecessarily blocked you, but was still suspicious of the Wazz-like hostile tone. My subsequent partial analysis revealed that 65.78.87.120 is a known Wazz vandal address on Wikiquote, so my instincts were right to ignore that particular WQ post. At the time, however, the more you complained about false accusations and demanded stuff like CheckUser (which none of the WQ sysops involved in this incident have access to), the less I was inclined to respond, as I could see no clear reason why it was so important that you have immediate Wikiquote access in the middle of an attack by an multi-user impersonator. (I certainly could see the benefit to Wazz if I obeyed and these accounts were his.)

The fake User:InvisibleSun seems to have capitalized on your anger by provoking you with more accusations. By this time, I hadn't yet confirmed for myself that InvisibleSun was being impersonated, but it seemed clear to me that we sysops should stick to our own projects, because we knew the usernames on our own projects were legitimate from long experience with them. I saw no benefit in trying to immediately resolve who was who on other projects.

Since I now believe that the initial use of q:User:Nyarlathotep and q:User:DragonFire1024 was by the Wikinews editors of the same names, I have released the blocks on them. I did this as simultaneously with this post as I could make it, in order to provide strong evidence that the person using this username is the Wikiquote sysop who unblocked those accounts. I will remind you that I (this username) made the point that Wazz has been known to create "sleeper" accounts months in advance of an attack, so it is not impossible for him to have done this to this User:Jeffq account. I'm just saying that my simultaneous actions should demonstrate I am the same person on both WQ and WN, as Wazz couldn't possibly have written the paragraph you're reading right now, after he saw me unblock the WQ accounts, in time to make this simultaneous post.

I still have more analysis to do, but I will be happy to share the results with you when I'm done. I hope you will consider the challenges presented in this incident and forgive my preemptive actions. Thank you for your consideration. ~ Jeffq 19:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I see now that my preliminary analysis was somewhat inaccurate. q:User:Nyarlathotep has proven himself a vandal by engaging in yet another round of "Wazz"-style vandalism, and has been blocked by the real q:User:InvisibleSun. Thinking back over the situation, I see the only person who asked for both q:User:DragonFire1024 and q:User:Nyarlathotep to be unblocked was q:User:65.78.87.120, forging your signature. I hope you understand that, at the time of the attack and my blocking, the two apparent Wikinews sysops who'd just created WQ usernames and engaged in a vandalism discussion on q:WQ:AN made indistinguishably similar posts, and yet one was a legit user and one was a vandal. This pattern is why I did the premptive block, and my haste to release that block at your request, before I'd completed my analysis, cost us another round of vandalism.


 * I hope that you, the real Nyarlathotep, and other Wikinews sysops will carefully analyze your user creation logs and user postings from the past two days to separate the imposters from the good-faith new users. (I can practically guarantee you that you have at least one recently created vandal account that has made no suspicious edits yet, as this is S.O.P. for this vandal, but there's probably not much you can do about it.) Let me know if there is anything I can help you with. Thank you for your attention. ~ Jeffq 04:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

My First Impersonator
Yea! My first impersonater. My AIM name is FirstFlightStory. I'll log on now and send you a message. Can you give me the username of the offender? Thunderhead (talk) 21:24, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes and its the same name you gave me just now...so maybe you did IM me in the process? Jason Safoutin 21:28, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * So, everyone's attacking old Thunderhead, eh? Well, "Battlestations!" Thunderhead (talk) 22:21, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

username
why is User:Stop usa an improper username? &mdash; Doldrums(talk) 06:58, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

London
Has anyone with asthma needed to go to hospital from the tube disaster today? I think the NHS has a policy of not admitting people with asthma to hospital these days. The tube is usually relatively safe for asthmatics since the no smoking rule was extended to staff whereas bus drivers usually smoke, So I expect a greater propotion of those present will have been asthmatics than in the greneral population. 87.194.35.230 12:00, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

About Hurricane not hit Saturn

 * Why you just revert the Saturn page and why?

NASA
Remember to add Category:NASA to articles that relate to that subject :) — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  19:10, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Welcome
Thanks for welcoming me... I just checked it today... :( (I know I'm kinda late). Do you have an account on Wikipedia?  That is where I contribute greatly. Cbrown1023 01:57, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

"Local only" tag
I noticed your recent publish of In depth: Buffalo, N.Y. hotel proposal controversy includes the tag.

I clicked on the portal New York, expecting to see the news story listed there, but it wasn't. This needs to be fixed.

I'll never forget your comment, about when attending a protest rally against the hotel development, you said that you spoke to someone with no knowledge of who you were, and the person said, "I read about it on Wikinews."

Best regards. -Edbrown05 11:34, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * oh, now I do see it recorded in the alphabetical list:, , -Edbrown05 12:00, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * If the intention is to keep it off the Main Page, the intention is not necessarily to keep it off the Latest news sections of Topic and Region pages. -Edbrown05 12:03, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * actually, if we have enough number of such in-depth article series, we shld put it on the main page, perhaps with the "Exclusives" list. i know cartmanau used to do an aussie politics series ... perhaps time to put up the idea on cooler. &mdash; Doldrums(talk) 14:53, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Well yes, I understand the thinking now is eveything goes on the Main Page. But the 'Local only' tag is not doing the job to supoort news story creation for portals where regional and topical news is reported. Articles that would not appear on the Main Page should appear on the 'Latest news' sections of Portal and Category pages. That is after all the purpose of their existence, to allow for special interest and a more bottom-to-top news creation.


 * If the double-edged sword of international and local news reporting is to be employed at Wikinews, then support for stories written locally must be supported better. -Edbrown05 09:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Please use specific sources for images
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lagoslocation_english.png is better then http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagos%2C_Nigeria as Lagos may change maps etc, but the image file will more or less stay the same. Bawolff ☺☻ 04:54, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
For the welcome you placed on my talk apge a long... time ago, before I made any edits. Thanks, Martinp23 14:44, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

User:71.156.169.66
It is clear this user only wants to vandalise from his edits on Wikipedia and on Wikinews. I suggest that we block him for 1 month if he continues. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  20:32, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree but also realize that IPs are not necessarily always the same computer or person...but I DO agree :) DragonFire1024 20:34, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi
Hi DragonFire, I have create an article named Sri Lankan Special Task Force offensive in Eastern Province. I do my edits in English Wikipedia as User:Lahiru_k but I'm new to the Wikinews and this is my first news article. Could you help me to improve this article by correcting the sources list? Lahiru k 21:12, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Done :-) Lahiru k 21:38, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * How can I add this article into English Wikipedia In the news section? Lahiru k 21:48, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Please share your opinion
User_talk:Symode09: User is member of a newspaper so he says he can use the stories they buy from Reuters etc. and publish them here, but I think that's copyvio.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 23:27, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

copyright
I have spoken to my company lawyers and they essentially said that it was alright to publish stories as long as the company is paying a subscription however, to play it safe and to comply with some other overseas laws, the story should still be credited to the origional Journalist

thanks

Symode09 00:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Arab Site
Right on the main page, there is an email adress for the webmaster: theantiarab@gmail.com Hope that helps. Well, I juss I'll see you later gotta gat back to work on that artical. Papapapa 20:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. Thanks for the welcome.

Tagging foreign news items, removing sources not good
Refering to your edits of Turkish_homeless_man_burns_to_death_after_being_neglected, please do not tag / unpublish articles with foreign-language sources. This issue was solved at this news item. Thanks :) Towsonu2003 21:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I posted a reply for your ethnocentric comment in my talk page. thanks Towsonu2003 23:36, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Just posted a reply to your notes in my talk page. Towsonu2003 04:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Just posted a reply to your newer notes on my talk page here. Towsonu2003 00:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * replied again http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User_talk:Towsonu2003#Foreign_Sources Towsonu2003 04:33, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: VOA
Thanks! So there's more free news out there then Wikinews... fantastic!--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 21:30, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Related News template
So its easier for you here is the template for related news articles: * DragonFire1024 21:23, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * ah, I was forgetting "title="... thanks:) Towsonu2003 00:22, 28 January 2007 (UTC)