User talk:Stevenfruitsmaak/Archive1

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Not sure about collaboration requests, eh?
Regarding your statement in the edit summary of this edit, yes, you properly used the collaboration request part of the Newsroom. —     23:51, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Belgium... considered the worst swear-word in the Galaxy
At least by Douglas Adams. :-)

I'm pretty close to Brussels, I lived in the city for a while, using it as a base to work from. From there I moved in the direction of Leuven, which as a city reminds me of when I was a student in Edinburgh. Now, whilst I studied French at school I only got good enough to manage the shopping, and most places when you start struggling the people you're speaking to use English. Out in the Flemish region, I'd say the people are more friendly than in the city - and their education system seems to do a far better job of producing multilingual people. Anyway, I'm still demonstrating that I've no particular aptitude for languages, and the local commune-run course was pretty dreadful, you need vocabulary and grammar - they gave stock phrases. I've spent too long with computers, I need a specification for the language. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:15, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Use of references
I see you've done this more than once, the use of the source template inline with a reference link. We don't do that, and there's a number of reasons I don't like the approach. Main one is not to present links or shortcuts that may be an alternative source of information before the reader has finished our article. I know it can make for easier verification of sourcing, but it encourages people to leave wikinews and not continue to read further articles. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:25, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * There are other source templates here, and I think proposing one for scientific papers wouldn't be a bad idea. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:27, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The Policies and guidelines stuff covers a lot, but some things aren't documented and are conventions of usage. Getting them added into policies can end up getting labelled as "instruction creep". --Brian McNeil / talk 11:40, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Planets article
It certainly was an in-depth report. :-) What to be careful with on those sort of reports is not to be too encyclopedic. First two or three paragraphs should pretty much sum up the information in a form anyone can follow, then lay out the more technical details after.  --Brian McNeil / talk 15:15, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations on the Astronomers to vote on potential new planets article. Excellent work. I noticed that there haven't been any corrections made to it since it was published. Brian, above, does make a good point. Traditional media would probably have an introduction in layman's terms about how they are meeting in Prague to make these decisions. --SVTCobra 21:16, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi
Just wanted to say Hi, and welcome to Wikinews ( a little late now, but I was away so I couldn't say welcome ealier). I looked at your template, and it looks pretty good. I made a little bit of a change to brackets in references to databases in an attempt to improve clarity, Maybe a seperator between the database names would be good (like a comma) but I'm unsure. Other then that, I can't think of any way for it to be better. However don't expect it to be used too, too often as the journals arn't cited too too often, and when they are, users often forget about these templates and cite using the standard source template. Great work on the template. Happy editing. Bawolff ☺☻ 09:30, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do for a link from edit window. I geuss if it gets used at least once, its fullfilled its purpose, and its a good thing to have around. I'm glad you enjoyed my strange and unusual template, the reason you and everyone else proablly didn't know about it is it just recently (in the last couple of hours) came to exsist. Happy editing. 09:56, 25 August 2006 (UTC)~

wikibureaus
it might be better to talk about this on the water cooler, some of the bureaus (eg. US) are not particularly active, whereas most people do see the wc fairly regularly, atleast in my estimate. Doldrums 18:28, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Hay feaver
No problem. If there was an actual quote to attribute "hail" too, then it would make a little more sense. Thanks and you're welcome :) Jason Safoutin 01:58, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

an article
I see you've just stuck this on a copyvio, it should be on the sub-page, and you rename that into the main namespace and ask the copyvio be deleted. At least, that's the simplest way to work it I can think of. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

archive
Ahh, my beutiful 125 kibibyte long page.... gone...! Yeah, I really needed to get around to doing that eventually. thanks. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:22, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Insert Pictures
Thanks Steve! (Regarding comments...you got (it)*me right)

(Editorinsaif 03:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC))

Welcome
Hi,

Thanks for the welcome. Also, I've noticed that you improved a couple of my articles. Thanks for that as well.

I am not a physician, just interested in health. At this point, I plan to write articles on health and nutrition. If you have ideas for collaboration, certainly let me know.

Cheers, --AlexS 16:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Disease
Sure. I saw Category:Disease, but was not sure what the difference was between it and Category:Health. I will add Category:Disease and subcategories from now on.

Thanks, --AlexS 18:21, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Deletion queston
The article was deleted due to being abandoned &mdash; it was still in development and hadn't received any substantial attention in at least 3 days. —     19:06, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * If you're curious, here it is:



September 13, 2006





A court in Flanders prolonged the custody of 12 suspects on Thursday. Meanwhile, more details emerge in the case against alleged neo-Nazi group inside the Belgian army. They are accused of terrorism, weapons traffic and racism.

Most lawyers involved asked for their clients to be released, and will appeal the court's decision. One lawyer said the police was being influenced politically to make the arrests now, before the elections of October 8, and that his client was more of a "immature teenager and weapons freak". The prosecutor is calling some suspects weapons dealers, but the defence lawyers claim they are weapons collectors, and say that terrorism is out of the question.

A spokesperson for the justice department denied this formally, saying that "The weapons traffic of the suspects began to take too large proportions, so we couldn't wait any longer." She also said the army informed them that they considered it too dangerous to take the soldiers involved along on uncoming international missions (Belgium is sending troups to Lebanon).

The prime suspect and alleged leader of the group is Thomas B. The police thinks he has a neo-Nazistic ideology and was planning attacks to destabilise Belgium. Thomas B. founded a splinter group of Blood and Honour called 'Bloed, Bodem, Eer en Trouw' (Eng: Blood, Soil, Honour and Fidelity), after the British headquarters of the skinhead organisation didn't let him found an official branch in Belgium.

T.V. station VTM claimed the police tapped into phone conversations where Thomas B. was talking about killing Filip Dewinter and Dyab Abou Jahjah, two political leaders and opponents in Belgium. That way, both sides would cause an uprise and they could seize the opportunity. But the prosecutor's office has formally denied the existence of specific plans to this end.

The police has discovered numerous weapons, and a video showing a paramilitary training, not only on military grounds but also under a bridge in the city Dendermonde. The police say the tape shows how they fire guns and throw Molotov cocktails on that location.

In the political arena, Internal Affairs minister Patrick Dewael has suggested a law to forbid far right criminal organisations. The plan was applauded by some and contested by others. Earlier on Friday, the federal governement supported the proposal to give more power to the national intelligence services to fight terrorism. Minister of Defence André Flahaut suspended 11 suspects inside the army. Prime minister Guy Verhofstadt said the entire affair was "a blame for the country and the army".

Belgian justice denies Flemish TV VTM’s claims that the neo-nazi group Bloed, Bodem, Eer en Trouw (BBET), close to the Flemish branch of Blood & Honour, was projecting false flag terrorist operations (although it does accuse the group, which included soldiers, of preparing bombings to "destabilize" the country, and prolonged detention of the suspects on September 12). VTM Flemish TV declared that BBET was preparing itself to kill Filip Dewinter, one of the leaders of the far right Flemish party Vlaams Belang, and to charge the Islamist movement for the assassination. In the insuing confusion, they would have then assassinated Dyab Abou Jahjah the European Arab League.

Related news

 * 17 suspects of terrorism arrested in Belgium (September 7, 2006)

Wikignome?
What's a wikignome? Crimson 21:07, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

RE: Am I Right Deletion Request
This is in regards to the deletion request for the article, Am I Right webmaster interviewed on radio show:

Speedy, Strong Keep: I just added information on the interview itself and sourced it. Let me know if it needs more. Thank you. 68.97.47.88 21:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Admin vote
Thanks for supporting my successful admin nomination! I will try to live up to the confidence that's been shown in me. Crimson 17:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Municipal elections in Belgium: Flemish Interest halted in Antwerp but advancing elsewhere
Just to give you a laugh on this... and perhaps some munitions. I have a little book from the "flemish interest", full of amusing cartoons and such. Get this... It was handed to my partner, an attractive thai immigrant at the local market. I can scan and upload cartoons as well as accompanying text (if you don't also have said book). --Brian McNeil / talk 21:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * All I could get just now was an election brochure, looks like I uploaded at too high a res to reliably get the image. I've stuck it on the article, I'll scan entire pages and upload page and cartoon so you can give a description on what they seek to associate with the cartoon. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:50, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Cartoons...Image:vb cartoon 1.png Image:vb cartoon 2.png Image:vb caroon 3.png--Brian McNeil / talk 16:06, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Admin?
Please see Administrators, you need to note your acceptance or refusal. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

CGS's opinion
Thank you for the help with this articlce - I am a newbie and could not have imagined such a dramatic presentation. Fentonrobb 18:14, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Your encouragement much appreciated - hardly know how to sign my name let alone produce an info box! Thanks again! Fentonrobb 18:50, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Deleting cries for help
I would appreciate your advice on how to delete a couple of cries for help I posted at the water cooler, which have now been answered. Fentonrobb 18:54, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you - I wasn't sure about the deletion business.

Yes, I have been doing a bit in wikipedia and when I have a moment I'll put a bit of bio in my home page.

Fentonrobb 20:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Editing
Hi Steven! I can't edit the RfA page... Why? I don't have enough edits? NCurse 11:03, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Replied on enwikipedia.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 18:49, 15 October 2006 (UTC)


 * You did not. :) NCurse 12:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Congrajulations!!!!
Well, it is officially 17 October 2006, and you know what that means ... you are now a WN Administrator! Please serve us 'little peoples' well with the new buttons! (Yea! I'm the first to congrajulate you!) Thunderhead (talk) 00:50, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * And now you have the buttons that go with it :) --Cspurrier 20:26, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * You deserved the mop and bucket. :) NCurse 20:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Congrats. Now where did I park the adminmobile.... Previous unsigned comment by Bawolff 22:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Now I'm running for Adminship... Thunderhead (talk) 23:00, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

congrats! steven, and here's some excellent advice i got. there's nothing much i can add to it, except to point to Wikipedia:Administrators' reading list as a useful resource. &mdash; Doldrums(talk) 12:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe you get to drive the adminmobile now. :-) --Brian McNeil / talk 15:57, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Bosnian Wikinews
hey, the Bosnian wikipedia is up and running, could you add the link to the main page. Even if it is "bs" (Bosanski) it still goes before "bg" (Bulgarian) (''bugarski). "Bo" comes before "Bu". Could you also tell me how to place the wikinews logo in the upper left corner of the Bosnian wikinews. I am a bureaucrat. Thanks, Vernes Seferovic


 * Done. I think it is in the bs.wikinews.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.js file, possibly "ta['p-logo'] = new Array(,'Main Page')". But I'm not sure since I'm a newbie-admin. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 23:26, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll look into it. Sorry I gave you the wrong link to my user page.Vernes Seferovic

Water Cooler (Forum:Index)
Would you mind taking a look at the Proposals section of the Water Cooler? I'm trying to get us a Forum Namespace, and MR has agreed, but we need to find out about the technical stuff. If you know anything, it'd be apprecitated. Thunderhead (talk) 23:33, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

RE: My RfA
First, thank you for commenting on my RfA. I am glad to see that you think I have those qualities. I would like to point out to you that I have written a few articles as an anon (at school, as I am now) and that I am not planning to give up my writing career as an administrator. Please contact me on my talk page to confirm this is me. Thunderhead (unlogged @ school) (talk)
 * Okay, I answered your questions on WN:A Thunderhead (talk) 22:46, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * There you go, I added a couple of more articles I made, so if you could possibly change your opinion, or at least change that statement? Thunderhead (talk) 22:53, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for clarification
US space policy - thanks for full ref to the original text regarding adversaries etc. and for the space walker Fentonrobb 23:30, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Thankyou Thankyou
For deleting stuff thats here and commons. The only thing that whould be both is high visibility items. I keep trying to delete superflourus images but run into problems (Like Deep irrational hatred for commons). user:Bawolff
 * Depends what the word ebrious means. I was just boared of so, and so got adminship... Also wanted to see if anyone actually listens to template:Wn news. Bawolff ☺☻[[image:smile.png]] 00:36, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:Headscarf
hi, sorry if i've stepped on a toe while replacing the image. my reasons are that the Iraqi girl's photo is that of a minor, she is identifiable, and some muslims object to being photographed. even if it is unlikely, we don't really want to get her in trouble over this. the image's description on the commons page doesn't say very much about consent either. as for the reverts, i agree with u. perhaps on another day, i might look around for a better way to handle it. &mdash; Doldrums(talk) 02:56, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

3RRs
hi, u've raised a valid point about blocks for 3RRs. i do have to say one (well, couple of) thing(s), though - the edits i was reverting were ones which had been discussed and disagreed with by a number of editors on WC, the Israel category talk page and on this article's talk page. PVJ had been on a similar revert-wars on other articles just prior to this one, insisting on going against the expressed view of every other editor involved. if i was particular about sticking to the letter of 3RR, i could've contacted any one of several other editors to do the reverting. instead, i did it myself. fwiw, i stand by my edits. &mdash; Doldrums(talk) 12:01, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Israel
Please take a look at Category talk:Israel. I see that you recently became an admin here. Please note the following remarks, made by a fellow ADMINISTRATOR here: After I responded to this, saying that this antisemitic bigot belongs in a psychiatric hospital, I was immediately attacked by two other administrators for making 'personal attacks'. Apparently, saying that I should be annihalated together with the rest of the country in which I live is just fine. Or simply denying its existence. I am quite shocked, to say the least. --Daniel575 16:49, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * "possibly non-existent entity"
 * "The area under consideration need not be refered to as "Israel" and may be reported as "Occupied Palestinian territories", "Land under Zionist regime""
 * "the existence of a State of Israel (commonly known as "Israel") on that piece of ground. To have a category about "Israel" would not be fair, since it implies that 1) Israel exists"
 * "Yes, I hate the US and Israel."
 * "The scourge of the Zionist regime will one day, in my humble opinion, be wiped off the earth and after its annhilation, Muslims will once again be free to live without fear of Jewish oppression."

Racial Equality commissioner warns of racial violence in UK
Thanks very much for helping with the report - I'd value advice on the country issue. Phillips is reported as speaking of Britain and probably deliberately so as race riots are unlikely in Northern Ireland. They riot about otheer things there! Should we not use his term in the report in these circumstancs, especially as the Category makes it clear that it's UK? I'm a newbie and am floundering arond a bit - please forgive me for bothering you over such a small issue. Fentonrobb 22:39, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks and another query!
I really appreciate your support and encouragement - thank you.

Regarding the revitalising of stories with additional stuff as (a) it appears in the news and (b) as one explores and discovers it, I am in some confusion.

I have been 'ticked off' for adding stuff to old items instead of making a new aticle - properly so according to the rules; but when the new stuff is just a slightly new slant to the tale, it seems heavy handed to start a new piece. Unlike hard copy papers, wikinews is able to develop a story as a 'process' as it were and the way it does so is interesting in iteslf as new perspectives are uncovered. So how strictly should this rule be interpreted?

The Bush Space Policy is a good example - this was sneaked out (deliberately) only after the NK rockets and the US successful interception and the differences with Clinton's policy were played down very strongly. Its takne a ong time to develop. Now my piece was said to be npov because it gave only US opinions, and reported no world reactions - but I simply couldn't find any! No one paid any attention, or if they did, it was in another language or out of reach of my searching. In a way, that itself is news.

My other two current pieces, the Straw/veil/Phillips/riots and the General in revolt are both spawning new stuff daily, so much that I can't keep up. I don't know why, but I seem to have encountered an issue that others don't seem to feel is a problem. I find that I loose interest in posting new copy if it has to be in the form of a new article. I suppose in this I am breaching another wikinews principle by feeling a kind of 'ownership' of the stuff. Yet I more than welcome positve contributions such as yours.

Sorry to go on so - any opinion?

Thanks again Fenton Fentonrobb 10:40, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice and help Fenton Fentonrobb 16:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Korea poll
i intend to publish the the long-overdue article - Wikinews interviews South Koreans about relations with North Korea. can u take a look at it please, comments and fixes welcome. thanks, &mdash; Doldrums(talk) 02:13, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Science template
Thanks for drawing my attention to this. Next time, if I need to give a full citation, I'll use it. Fentonrobb 13:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

border fence article
done. i, however, life half a globe away. &mdash; Doldrums(talk) 16:08, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Expert calls for less vaccination and more research
I was aware of the paper which you have used to replace the last citation in this article; however I chose to cite that referring to care workers because it states quite explicity "vaccinating the elderly in institutions reduces the complications of influenza and vaccinating healthy persons under 60 reduces cases of influenza".

This is quite contrary to the impression given in interview on BBC Today programme this morning when all the emphasis was on how weak was the evidence supporting the use of flu vaccines. For tech reasons I can't open the actual interview to verify that the "doctor" being interviewed was T. J. who said he would not advise his old mother to have a jab. The programme was 0734 "The doctor who believes flu jabs could be a waste of time" http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/listenagain/

Please would you consider reverting the citation or at least restoring the reference from which the sentence was quoted?

Someone has kindly illustrated this article - if it was you - thank you very much.

Fentonrobb 17:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Equal Footing
Well, you're a Cub Reporter now? Looks like we're on equal footing. I've got to start writing my articles again. To CNN! Thunderhead (talk) 01:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Seriously, I do need to write some articles. Hang on one second, and I'll have one done. Thunderhead (talk) 01:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Surprise and thanks
You really are most generous - thank you - gretaly encouraged. Fentonrobb 09:17, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Just seen that you kindly reverted the ref. Thanks again. Fentonrobb 09:25, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Top Story
Ah, I think I have figured it out. If I update the Lead Story template, then the Top Story on the Main Page will update. No need to reply unless I got that wrong. Thanks. --SVTCobra 22:57, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Deletion edit history
May be, reverting is enough but we should remove the history of advertisements. Regards, Shyam  ( T / C ) 14:32, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Because I think this is not the place to keep any promotional information. I do not know we should keep or not, probably you are correct. If you really want to keep it in edit history, then it is okay. Shyam  ( T / C ) 14:55, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

RE: Confirmation Car
I removed it for personal security reasons. Also, I am running a RfA test to see how my next RfA in February will go. Please vote there. Thunderhead (talk) 21:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for heart picts
Nice stuff - thank you Fentonrobb 00:08, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Admin?
I'd like to nominate you because I feel you should be one, however I'll ask first because if your not already an admin, that may have a reason, e.g. that you decline?--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 02:09, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you, I'd love a nomination. --  Zanimum 16:14, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

RE: Rfa
The user accepted the RFA on his talk page after you asked him if he would like a nomination. I am going to change my note in nuet. look there. Thunderhead (talk) (Check out my RFA test)
 * Nah, I just have no life so I stay on Special:Recentchanges all day! :P Thunderhead (talk) (Check out my RFA test) 18:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * December's gonna be a time I'm not gonna be so active because I have quite a few partys to go to, and then Christmas. But yes, we are the saviors of wikinews! :D Thunderhead (talk) (Check out my RFA test) 18:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Africa Award
Most grateful and honoured! Shall display proudly on user page. I hope more will come out of the Nairobi talks. Off-topic, but if you are interested in Africa - can you tell me why solar power seemingly has not done much to solve the continent's problems?

Fentonrobb 12:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Adminship thanks
Hi there! I'd like to thank you for your support to become an admin, it's greatly appreciated! -- Zanimum 14:25, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

do briefs get cats?
hi, re. News briefs:May 7, 2006; for some strange reason, News Briefs don't get cats. &mdash; Doldrums(talk) 18:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas! Wishing you all the best for the forthcoming year. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:20, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Category:Disease/Temp
has it served its purpose? can it be deleted? &mdash; Doldrums(talk) 09:29, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Image:Fallen arches.jpg
How is this image not appropriate? It seemed perfect for Hepatitis scare at a New Zealand McDonald's restaurant. — F e  llow  Wiki  News   (W)  20:28, 30 December 2006 (UTC)