Wikinews:Deletion requests/Archives/2023

July 11, 2021

 * I know I opened this apparently a year and a half ago, but it does seem clear that the general consensus here is to delete Cigarette. There doesn't seem to be strong support to delete the NHS redirect so I'll leave that one as keep for now. —chaetodipus (talk &middot; contribs) 08:06, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

NHS and Cigarette
Per 's suggestion, these redirects may be unnecessary. NHS is too generic, and "cigarette" can refer to a tube containing substances other than tobacco intended for smoking. —chaetodipus (talk &middot; contribs) 20:21, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Comments

 * I disagree that NHS is unnecessary; all references to an "NHS" on Wikinews generally refer to the UK's National Health Services. This may be a case where we have a disambiguation page in mainspace, but most other organizations that might be an NHS likely won't see much coverage, see for example NHS (disambiguation) —chaetodipus (talk &middot; contribs) 20:21, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Votes
Delete the two. Re cigarette, cigarette is for smoking -- what you put in it is not fixed -- you can roll it with tobacco, or you can have cannabis. Re NHS, we literally had discussed about such globally unknown abbreviations (including this) and it is no mystery how much unnecessary effort of admins go behind fixing the ambigious names later being changed. If it should be NHS (UK), then don't put the burden on future maintainers, keep it that way from the start. We don't go by "what NHS means in Wikinews articles in the past" -- such mistakes takes hours of our time, when it comes to fixing the mess. We need to future-proof. •–• 06:11, 12 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete: I'm hesitant as to whether either of these changes are necessary, but given that no actual categories are being deleted or renamed, simply redirects, I'm inclined to agree. I do think that tobacco cigarettes and the UK NHS are by far the most common use for both terms, but as acagastya notes, they're not universally used for one topic, probably for the best to err on the side of caution here and delete. --LivelyRatification (talk) 03:30, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Cigarette should be deleted because of the tobacco/cannabis distinction. As for NHS, that could be deleted too because of the other uses seen in disambiguation. (Mostly high schools) 4906h (talk) 13:29, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Keep: I think this request reeks of pedantry. For the sake of a theoretical future in which articles on another NHS or, even more bizarrely, tobacco in any other context would accumulate in sufficient notability and quantity as to require new categories, we are causing an unnecessary amount of inconvenience for the users of today. To prepare for one step forward, we're going two steps back. --JJLiu112 (talk) 04:04, 25 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I think this only concerns the redirects NHS and Cigarette - the National Health Service and Tobacco pages wouldn't be touched. LivelyRatification (talk) 04:38, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, and their deletion would be an unnecessary inconvenience if the reason for doing so is just "well, maybe one day, there'll be enough articles on a DIFFERENT NHS/DIFFERENT use of tobacco". JJLiu112 (talk) 05:16, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, OK. I understand that concern, I was just unsure if you thought that the tobacco article was being deleted. LivelyRatification (talk) 05:17, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It is about doing the right thing and being precise. Having some regional acronym, which does not have international ties or recognition is a recipe for disaster, a western equivalent of white-washing, and it should be lead by example.  Cigarette is not the same as tobacco and should not even point to the same thing.  Not future-proofing is not how enwn works, you would have seen in the edit history time and time again.  It should not even exist, in principle.  Just like IRCTC should not.  And having cigarettes as tobacco is wilfull ignorance, something we don't do here -- just like America vs USA. •–•  06:48, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * While I am sympathetic to your arguments in regards to being overly Westernised, I'm not entirely sure about your future-proofing argument. I don't think that we always need to disambiguate to prevent a possible future where we may need a separate category. To give an example close to home for me, our Melbourne category is for the town in Australia with over 5 million residents. There are, indeed, a, including with over 84,000 people. We have indeed had some articles that have referenced that Melbourne. It is not inconceivable that a Floridian Wikinewsie could write enough articles to warrant a category for Melbourne, Florida.
 * On that grounds, should we disambiguate the Melbourne category to Melbourne (Victoria) or Melbourne (Australia)? I'd say no, but it seems like based on your future-proofing argument, we should. These are only redirects, so I don't really object, but I don't think it's at all necessary to disambiguate for the sake of it, just in case we might one day have an article on additional topics with the same name. LivelyRatification (talk) 01:01, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

I think the concept of "future proofing" is futile. Deleting NHS as a redirect just leads to deleting other redirects such as CIA or NASA or EU or USSR, etc, etc. The 'cigarette' question has slightly more merit, but I'd rather wait to fix it when it is an actual problem. --SVTCobra 02:21, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * NHS - After mulling it over, I think we should definitely keep NHS. --SVTCobra 16:36, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I went to NHS! I'd always been proud of how newsworthy my high school was. Now I'm disillusioned.
 * I'm kidding, if that's not obvious. I don't know WNews well enough to have a firm opinion, but if the UK national health service is the only thing likely to be abbreviated as "NHS" in the international news, then it seems reasonable to use it that way here, even if I'm personally more familiar with it as my high school. Kwamikagami (talk) 04:22, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Cigarette - The redirect is only used by two articles and in addition to cannabis-cigarettes, there are also e-cigarettes which can easily generate news. --SVTCobra 16:36, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * . I don't see a point in getting rid of these two. - Xbspiro (talk) 09:15, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Wikinews:Deletion requests/User draft list
The subpage above contains a list of draft articles in userspace. Most of them are very stale, in some cases as much as 10 years old. This works in Wikipedia, where someone might spend years trying to write a decent article. However, Wikinews articles are stories that were fresh at the time of publishing. I can see no benefit to Wikinews in keeping dozens of stale, unpublished and unpublishable draft articles. I propose to delete all of the pages listed on the subpage in a weeks time. If there are any that could be salvaged, please indicate which ones and why. Note: There are some red links and struck out ones which are drafts that have already been deleted or will be. [24Cr][talk] 13:50, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Votes

 * Delete as nominator. [24Cr][talk] 13:50, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete while I cannot say that I reviewed every page in the list, I did some random sampling and I have enough faith in User:Cromium that the rest are the same. --SVTCobra 00:31, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as appear stale. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 17:47, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, but I would keep these OR articles: 1, 2, 3, 4. - Xbspiro (talk) 09:10, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: Most definitely, many are not even news and all are stale. This will be a big task for the deleting admin. --Heavy Water (talk) 14:50, 24 February 2023 (UTC)