Wikinews:Requests for permissions/Administrator/Acagastya 1


 * This clearly isn't going to achieve a positive consensus at this time. With no ill will toward the nominee.  --Pi zero (talk) 00:29, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

— adminship

 * I am requesting administrator rights to fight vandalism. acagastya   ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🚀 🔬 👟 🎬 🎼 📰  21:46, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Questions and comments

 * Could you tell folks a bit about your history on-wiki, to provide them with some perspective on your request? (I'm fairly familiar with the nominee's wiki history, myself; but I think we'd all benefit from hearing what the nominee says about xyrself, and I'm interested to hear what others think independent of my impressions.) --Pi zero (talk) 21:10, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I made my first edit on Wikinews exactly thirteen months ago. It took me nineteen more days, and four unsuccessful submissions for my first article to be published. I have contributed to 72 news articles. When I am not writing news articles, I read the project pages, and sometimes see the changes of those pages, to know how rules were changed or modified over time. I frequently check the recent changes, except when I sleep. That time, Pi zero is online. As I mentioned earlier, I am requesting for adminship to fight vandalism. Many a times there is a notorious IP editor or user, who tries to vandalise, if it can be undone, I undo it. If it can be deleted, I place the delete template. If I can't do anything, either I inform it to admin on IRC or I just let them delete it. Is thre anything else I should tell the community? acagastya  08:30, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi acagastya. I must say I was out of the loop for several months or years. I am glad to see you around; this is I think one of the first times.
 * This is just a question for getting more background; it seems to me only tangentially related to the role. What is your level of technical experience with wikis, and with programming or scripting? Thank you. Gryllida 01:39, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Before contributing to Wikinews, I used to edit Wikipedia for a year. I am a Computer student, who has just completed first year. About technical knowledge, I would say that I have worked in JavaScript and yes, C. (CSS won't be considered as scripting language but I have also worked on the front end development.) acagastya 11:05, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! To further illustrate this point, have you got any JavaScript code uploaded to public? This, along with PHP, is the language wiki uses. (Furthermore, administrators get access to editing some JavaScript snippets on-site. This is something not everyone engages in, but that's just one more part to it.) --Gryllida 07:53, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I am sorry for responding late, but I did not make any of the JavaScript work public. I did not work much on GitHub; as I had no idea how it would help me. Though my work on school website was available, but that was three years ago. Later, students who were junior to me changed the entire look. acagastya 13:17, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
 * But yes, I do remember saving SVG file of a clock. I used canvas to draw the clock, and to animate it, I used JavaScript. Though a simple side-project, I enjoyed its simplicity and design. I would share the drive link tomorrow morning. link acagastya 19:15, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
 * That requires login, so I'm unable to view it. Thanks for the answer; I had moved it to maintain the discussion structure. I must say I'm a bit excited; a bit of interest in JavaScript is a good thing. We have an extra question now, below. --Gryllida 03:05, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Would you consider reviewing? (This is the resource that might be needed most; this privilege, and the corresponding responsibilities, may or may not come together with admin, even as a part of a separate request.) --Gryllida 07:53, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think I can be a reviewer. I was tangled trying to stay up to date with sports news in the month of June (plus being at home, preparing for an entrance exam). It was a busy month; I was able to create 30+ articles in one month for the first time. Few were deleted as they got stale. But, Microsoft to acquire LinkedIn failed the peer review twice before losing freshness with NPOV issues. I had to ask Pi zero to know why it was the problem. Other submissions required a lot of copyedits. I didn't proofread a couple of submissions. I don't think I am ready for it. Also to add, I placed delete template on a userpage thinking it was in main space. I feel I am not ready for either privilege at the moment. Don't know about others, but I fail when I try to evaluate myself. acagastya 10:22, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Votes
at present but leaning oppose - little activity recent here save for the last month upon which to judge Acagastya's suitability; worryingly, Acagastya left Wikipedia in a huff last year (requesting a block) after another editor criticized their dealings with a vandal. Not convinced that there is enough evidence to show that Acagastya has since gained the temperament to cope with the responsibilities of an admin, even though the workload of an admin on Wikinews is much less than that on Wikipedia. Bencherlite (talk) 07:29, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing it. I have an alternate account . I requested Pi zero to block me from editing in August. I used my college IP for a while. But later, when I had to upload some media (Audio Wikinews), I was obliged to use the alternative account. If I count, the number of edits using my IP is greater than that of my registered accounts put together.
 * Also to add, the reason why I left en.wikipedia is true, it is because Rms125a@hotmail.com insulted me when I was trying to help a newbie, to understand how he/she should edit Wikipedia as the user had no idea what to do, and thus was vandalising the project.

acagastya 10:24, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Switching to - I did not realise that you did not have the "reviewer" permission at Wikinews.  I cannot think of circumstances where it's appropriate to allow someone to edit the framework of the main page when the community doesn't trust that person to review the content of the main page. Also, you still seem unable to realise that you were dealing with a vandal at Wikipedia (here's a clue for you, a self-confessed vandal at that) not an innocent newbie.  As you still approach this on the basis that this was just a newbie needing help, I have no confidence in your judgment. Bencherlite (talk) 23:56, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The vandal discussions are, alas, one of the big problems of Wikipedia; being an admin there requires ability to be stern-looking enough to not spend time explaining things to people who are already doing harm. The same point applies at Wikinews; as much as we help newcomers, we don't spend time deleting harmful contributions over and over. (At a point I myself had left a number of projects which I was helping to run for the reason of me being too kind to moderate them adequately. That seems to be recovering with time.) Again, I am not seeing obstacles to learning that point through experience. Gryllida 03:14, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

An editor should at least be a reviewer before requesting to be an administrator. Becoming a reviewer allows an editor to to further understand and explore how the project works and can show if you can be trusted with additional user rights. Furthermore, I'm concerned about your request to blocked and how you handled the situation with another editor on Wikipedia. Administrators have more responsibility than simply dealing with editors who vandalize articles and other pages. They need to have the ability to help new users and deal with problems that may arise on the project. Most importantly, administrators must be trusted by the community. For now, I am unable to trust that you would use administrative rights wisely. –  Nascar1996  ( talk • cont ) 00:29, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

About reviewer vs admin. When asked, I've remarked that we have sometimes had users who were admins but not reviewers. Come to think of it, though, I can only recall two such cases; in one case, the user had been a reviewer at one time, and later gave it up; and in the other case, ultimately things didn't work out well. So I can't offer any example to refute the claim that someone who's never been a reviewer might lack some perspective on adminship. --Pi zero (talk) 00:58, 7 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Just to leave a quick note here, I was at one point a reviewer, though through my inactivity I no longer am, though curiously I still have the admin flag. —mikemoral (talk) 06:09, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah! A third case.  Though not, apparently, an exception to the principle that those who make admin have had the experience of being a reviewer.  (I've a memory that the privilege expiry policy makes it easier to hang on to admin than reviewer.)  --Pi zero (talk) 11:33, 7 June 2016 (UTC)


 * "Not ready", rather than oppose; to me, everything tells me that you could make a great admin, granted you hang on to the project for a bit more. (I haven't yet received a response to the last question, that of you considering reviewing things.) I trust you do not get demotivated by the discussions above. -Gryllida 03:14, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

- It's nothing personal, but I don't think that the editor has enough experience. --Queen Laura/King Ethan (talk) 23:24, 11 August 2016 (UTC)