Wikinews:Water cooler/assistance/archives/2012/July

Rude Welcome: I'm Not Welcome Here
Well, good bye from this new contributor. My VERY FIRST ARTICLE was deleted within hours. Instead of thanking me for trying, and working with me to fix up the article, it was deleted. It had been deleted at WP because of WP:NOTNEWSPAPER. An administrator told me to put it on WikiNews, which I had never heard of before. So I did. Then it gets deleted by an editor at WikiNews. The culture here is apparently just like at WP. An ingroup trying to control. The editors here are just like the editors at WP. A bunch of bullies who get a sense of power by humiliating first-time contributors. How do you ever expect people to try and contribute when you treat them like bums? I don't need to waste my time and be insulted. Find other suckers to waste their time and create your articles. No more from me. MadZarkoff (talk) 02:32, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it's fairly safe to say you didn't read anything you were directed at, then. We won't miss you if you're that lazy. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 11:23, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Have a nice diurnal anomaly. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:29, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds like . Checkuser? --William S. Saturn (talk) 21:18, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * A user who is 'simply unhappy', or 'unhappily simple', does not merit a CheckUser.If they're a Wikipedian of the 'should be committed' variety, then all sister projects are simply a dumping ground for what they can't persuade Wikipedia to keep. Announcing no further plans to try and contribute here, or spend any time establishing why their contributions were not appropriate, may-well reflect poorly on xe, but does not merit assuming they're a sock of other disenchanted users. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:26, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see it either. In particular, I'd expect Viriditas to keep on tryin' if xe'd created a sock for this. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 21:28, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It was mostly a tongue-in-cheek response. I recently had an encounter with Viriditas on WP.--William S. Saturn (talk) 21:33, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yikes! Glad to see you've survived the encounter. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 21:35, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * My condolences. --Brian McNeil / talk 07:55, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Best place to find articles needing a copyedit?
Hello um ... Wikinewsians? I've just stumbled upon this site. I edit prose professionally so, after looking around, I thought I might help out a bit but I have not located any central area where there's a pool of articles under development that I could help with. I only found a few articles under the banner "In development, undisputed" at the "Newsroom". Can you refer me to a more relevant page? Thank you.--108.46.98.134 (talk) 23:34, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Its recommended that you Create an account to get started. You're right, there's not so many items in the Newsroom, but have you had a go at any of those? Danrok (talk) 14:43, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, the disputed and in-development is a good place to start - if you're feeling brave enough to also try and tackle the points on-which they're disputed. But, beware of those that could-well qualify as stale.
 * The Higgs article could do with copyedit work; but, to be really worthwhile to a reviewer, it is more in need of massive expansion. And, I've put quite a bit of work into expanding the ACTA report; because it is now marked for review should not be seen as a barrier to copyedit work. Copyediting is part of the process usually carried out by reviewers. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:00, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Hackathon Mages
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2012_Hackathon images of the Hackathon room Gnangarra (talk) 14:22, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Recentism
Reference to a report of the hacking of an online account belong to Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra's was deleted as being both trivial and a blatant example of "Recentism." Talk:Yingluck Shinawatra is littered with similar prior controversies, though the charge of "recentism" is, well, recent. Wikipedia's guidelines for combating "recentism" suggest using Wikinews, instead. How should one go about doing that? Would especially appreciate assistance being offered on said Talk page as I don't have an account here and don't know how to watch this page. --Pawyilee (talk) 14:11, 23 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Watching a page works the same way on Wikinews as it does on Wikipedia. However, you have a separate watchlist on each sister project.  So checking your watchlist on Wikipedia won't tell you about changes to pages you're watching on Wikinews, and checking your watchlist on Wikinews won't tell you about changes to pages you're watching on Wikipedia.  There's been talk in the past of some sort of 'combined watchlist' facility, which imho could be rather tricky to design well enough to be a help rather than a hindrance; but if anything has actually been done about it, I've not heard of that.


 * Wikinews has a core concept of newsworthiness. Each article has a news focus, an event/phenomenon which is specific, relevant, and fresh.  Trivial stuff would fail the relevance test; but certainly a very recent event (say, within the past day) might be newsworthy even though, in the long run, it might warrant at most a word or three in an encyclopedia article.  --Pi zero (talk) 14:55, 23 July 2012 (UTC)