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Tech News: 2013-46
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems
 * There was a problem caused by too many requests to the database on November 14.

Future
 * MediaWiki 1.23wmf4 was added to test wikis on November 14. It will arrive to non-Wikipedia wikis on November 19 and all Wikipedia wikis on November 21 (calendar).
 * The new Search tool (CirrusSearch) will be added to, Wikimania and Wikisource wikis on November 19, and Wiktionary wikis on November 21 (except where it's already available). Once it is added, you can test it by adding   to the address of the search results page. It will become the main search engine on Wikivoyage wikis on November 21.
 * The MassMessage tool will be added to all wikis on November 19 instead of November 14. It will make it simpler to send messages across wikis.

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by Global message delivery • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe. 08:59, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Hopefully this will be the last one I deliver, unless you have a grudge against the author of the new extension too (not serious). ;) PiRSquared17 (talk) 18:21, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Heh. We generally don't care who writes the code, the issues were based on ... other reasons. Critiquing the previous tool would've been an unduly harsh addition to then-existing concerns. :P --Brian McNeil / talk 10:57, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

20000 articles in English Wikinews
Congratulations from Russian Wikinews! --Brateevsky (talk) 19:55, 14 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks!


 * And, hurrah! --Pi zero (talk) 20:26, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikimedia Commons attempt to delete image in-use at Wikinews
This Wikinews article Santorum neologism gains prominence during US election cycle uses this image File:Still Life with Rick Santorum, Lube, Dildo, and Justin Bieber doll.jpg which is a form of and.

Notifying here as the image is proposed for being deleted in a deletion discussion over at Wikimedia Commons, please see discussion at commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Santorum images.

Thank you for your time,

-- Cirt (talk) 06:40, 15 December 2013 (UTC) This type of move is only one where, usually, we'd be doing so because Commons were hell-bent on deleting despite an image being in-use.
 * Uploaded locally. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:49, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, well, hopefullly it should be seen according to the Wikimedia Commons provisions there as in scope, being used on this project. -- Cirt (talk) 17:43, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I moved that local one to a renamed location, so that at Commons the image will still be shown as being used, here locally, on this project, and therefore in scope. -- Cirt (talk) 17:44, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I was previously unaware that moving images like that could cause them to be not shown in the usage logs at Commons. We'll all have to be more careful about that in the future. -- Cirt (talk) 05:58, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

It did prompt me to check local File: pages; these, fortunately, have no influence on what Commons sees as being in-use. It is a fairly nifty trick, which is how I've filled Category:Brian McNeil (Wikinewsie) with media files I've uploaded. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:02, 18 December 2013 (UTC)


 * --Pi zero (talk) 13:31, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * "This type of move is only one where, usually, we'd be doing so because Commons were hell-bent on deleting despite an image being in-use." -- I agree with here, normally this is not even ever necessary, as having an image in-use on a sister project means it is therefore in-scope at Wikimedia Commons. And in this case, it is in-use on an article that was: (1) Reviewed, (2) Published, and (3) Archived, and subsequently (4) Full-protected, as per our normal site policy of WN:ARCHIVE. -- Cirt (talk) 18:11, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

The fact that the image is in use is irrelevant. Commons have their policies and we have ours. Commons will delete a copyright violation if it is in use. Regarding these images, I'm fairly agnostic as to whether they ought to be deleted, but I do think "well, Wikinews is using them, ergo we shouldn't delete them" is a fairly bad argument because there's an immediate counter-argument: yes, but Wikinews shouldn't be using them because of the WMF board resolution. As I said, I'm agnostic on the Commons DR (and probably won't participate because of my attempt to adhere to ignore all dramas) but our local policies don't override Commons' policies, nor do they override WMF board resolutions. —Tom Morris (talk) 09:31, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm going to bite my tongue about the resolution, other than to point out it is almost-always a really bad idea to make retroactive legislation. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:30, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
 * @, biting your tongue sounds painful, especially in this situation, I hope you turn out okay. -- Cirt (talk) 22:51, 19 December 2013 (UTC)