Wikinews talk:Fundraiser

Ugly
Even with our project name spelled correctly, I think the banner is still an eyesore and is very distracting. Can't we at least make the text a few sizes smaller? And "WIKINEWS FOREVER" just sounds bad/corny. "Support Wikinews" would be much more suitable, imho. Tempodivalse [talk]  15:57, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you seeing a banner at the moment? I'm not. I want to work on a. Something much more considerate of which project it is appearing on, and b. A Wiknews-specific landing page for the fundraiser message.
 * The message is so selfishly-self-centred around Wikipedia that it just is... dumb. And the example quote from a 'knowledge worker' who has donated? GTF man! The guy should be fired if his boss reads that. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:33, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I'm not seeing it now, I'm just saying in general that it's bad and needs to be improved or hid. Are we allowed to tinker with the notice, though? The folks from the foundation warned people not to remove with the notice locally. Tempodivalse [talk]  16:40, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

From Water Cooler

 * User option to disable Fundraising banner - See Special:Preferences, gadgets tab. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:40, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * But what about the anons? They're still going to see that eyesore when the foundation folks put it back up. Tempodivalse [talk]  14:44, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, they'll just have to register an account. Really, I'm not about to disable it for everyone because the Foundation does need money. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:53, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Take a look at meta:Talk:Fundraising_2009/Website Design, we're not the only project to be outraged at this and are taking measures to disable it. Unfortunately it seems as though the foundation isn't interested in user feedback and has warned people not to remove the notice. Tempodivalse [talk]  16:36, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Also Fundraising_2009/Launch_Feedback and w:Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals) . Even the wikipedians hate the fuckin thing, and it's for their damn project. -- Shakata Ga Nai  ^_^ 16:40, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Apparently, the foundation actually paid a professional advertising company a huge amount of money to develop this atrocity. I mean, i could have done better in ten minutes. Tempodivalse [talk]  16:44, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Not only could _YOU_ do better, we _DID_ better in about 5 minutes, with a couple lines of CSS. -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 16:45, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Improving the appearance, influencing the message presentation
We've really ignored the efforts to get this off the ground, as well as an ad-agency with a collective IQ of 12 dreaming up the slogans. How can we sort this out a bit better? --Brian McNeil / talk 17:18, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit concerned that we'll face repercussions from the folks at the foundation for changing their slogan. I've read some of the discussions on wikipedia regarding this, and it seems as though the devs have been warning admins who want to remove the banners locally. Eloquence said that "fundraiser sitenotices aren't subject to community consensus". Tempodivalse [talk]  17:46, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I am of the opinion, this is arround the point where we tell certain people in the wmf to stuff it. Bawolff ☺☻ 20:34, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Our own donation page?
Regardless of the hatred inspired by the previous central notice, what about the donation page itself? Right now you land on http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate which basically chants "WIKIPEDIA WIKIPEDIA WIKIPEDIA". Why can't we jack the page layout (And most important the donation form template) and make our own? We can make something nice that goes to show why you should support the WMF from the Wikinews perspective. We can highlight some of the good work we've done around here. -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 21:56, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a good idea. Alternatively, the banner could link to this version of the donation page, which isn't so Wikipedia-centric. Tempodivalse [talk]  23:21, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * What's that logo at the top I see?
 * Wikipedia pimping that it's free
 * Meh. Wikinews can do better than CAPSLOCK FOREVER. --Brian McNeil / talk 01:08, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * What was frighteningly impressive. -- Shakata Ga Nai ^_^ 16:33, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

There's mention here (item 5 on "Thursday") of an extension which will allow donations whilst staying within a project site. This sounds like it could be just what we want, but that was the only mention of it I could find. Anyone know more about this? the wub "?!"  23:17, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm, interesting. That's the only good idea the PR team has come up with so far. I couldn't find any more info about it though, maybe someone will respond to your comment on the feedback page. Tempodivalse [talk]  23:28, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Just to point out that the best place for feedback to the Foundation is Meta:Fundraising_2009/Launch_Feedback. Rd232 (talk) 11:45, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Wikinews-specific
Has anyone looked at the Ariel extension they're talking about? Will this be done properly? That is, will a proper SSL cert be bought for *.wikinews.org and the entire donation process appear on this wiki?

As a few people probably noticed, I hacked a Donate link into the main page header - as well as finally getting round to using the plink template I got Bawolff to help cobble together. Lots of tooltips in there now.

Since they've now got the banners and such up on Wikipedia, which was most-important for the WMF, there might be time to try and get Wikinews' input and effort on designing a page to solicit donations. No need to spend $250,000 on a bunch of "ad-specialists"; I think that was a complete waste of money and get the distinct impression is the campaign has been designed like selling another brand of soap powder. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:03, 14 November 2009 (UTC)